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15:48:37 <Zakim> ok, Avneesh
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16:06:06 <George> Introductions of people present
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16:06:19 <George> present Amy
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16:09:21 <George> Madeleine  has worked on Access for All, which helped to populate schema.org. She is a metadata expert.
16:09:54 <George> AS: There was a need for presentation of accessibility in a user friendly way.
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16:10:53 <George> VitalSource started this and it was clear that a user friendly  presentation was needed. This presented the schema.org metadata.
16:11:33 <George> LIA brought to us the need to include ONIX. Madeleine  has been working to harmonize Schema.org and ONIX.
16:12:00 <George> There are also other metadata standards, such as Bibframe and MARC.
16:12:23 <George> This brought forward the need to separate the layers of this document.
16:12:37 <George> One for principles and one for techniques.
16:13:12 <George> We can update the techniques as more metadata standards become relevant.
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16:13:28 <George> Views?
16:13:31 <CharlesL1> q?
16:13:32 <CharlesL1> https://github.com/benetech/UX-Guide-EPUB-A11y-Metadata
16:13:58 <gpellegrino> +1 to this approach :)
16:14:21 <CharlesL1> Here is the link to the new W3C github new home for this work
16:14:22 <CharlesL1> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/tree/master/UX-Guide-Metadata
16:14:30 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 This is really relevant to something I'm working on right now for a client
16:14:38 <George> How do we formulate the principles and the techniques.
16:15:06 <gpellegrino> q+
16:16:39 <George> GP: the first part explains what screen reader friendly means.
16:16:57 <George> It explains the high level principles.
16:17:25 <gpellegrino> Sorry
16:18:42 <George> In the high level principles, we explain what we need from the metadata.
16:18:47 <CharlesL1> q?
16:18:52 <CharlesL1> ack gpellegrino
16:19:08 <George> In the techniques docoument we explain how to extract the documents.
16:19:50 <George> AS: Should we have different  techniques for the various metadata types?
16:20:29 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:21:18 <George> Matt: we should encapuslate for each metadata type , but on the other hand you could have them together.
16:21:29 <CharlesL1> q+
16:21:44 <CharlesL1> ack Bill_Kasdorf
16:22:30 <George> Bill: One comprimise is to  put one primary and an appendex for others.
16:22:52 <gpellegrino> q+
16:23:06 <George> It is common for a publisher will need schema.org, ONIX and MARC.
16:23:06 <CharlesL1> ack C
16:23:45 <George> Charles: To Bill's point. Who is the intended audience? Is it libraries, vendors?
16:24:27 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:24:52 <CharlesL1> ack gpellegrino
16:24:58 <George> If you are talking about a technique,  we had the various approaches grouped together. However, because ONIX is so big it blew up in trying to do it.
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16:25:23 <CharlesL1> ack Bill_Kasdorf
16:25:30 <CharlesL1> q+ gpellegrino
16:25:38 <George> Bill: Charle's point is a good one.
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16:27:29 <George> Charles: answering Bill's points, a simple concept in schema.org might require multiple items in ONIX.
16:27:37 <CharlesL1> ack gpellegrino
16:27:41 <Avneesh> ack gre
16:27:50 <George> Bill: the differentmetadata idems are very different.
16:28:32 <George> GP: We can seprate the principles and referenced them saperately.
16:28:36 <Avneesh> ack matt
16:29:21 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to what Matt just said about the need to explain the formats
16:29:21 <Avneesh> q?
16:29:39 <Bill_Kasdorf> Good luck explaining MARC. . . .
16:29:47 <George> providing an exampleMaatt; Add on to the idea if it is not simply  then it becomes too complex to explain what ONIX or schema is doing.
16:29:50 <George> q+
16:30:48 <George> use these techniques?Avneesh: Do we think Ace or SMART would
16:31:15 <CharlesL1> scribe: CharlesL1
16:31:43 <CharlesL1> GK: agree with matt, we are not here to document ONIX / Schema.
16:32:46 <gpellegrino> +1 to George
16:32:49 <CharlesL1> …, having a consistent first part and then having a technique for schema, and another for ONIX / MARC/Bibfram then keep it simple separate and we are providing an easy to use example of what this can be, and we are providing a user friendly translation of this.
16:32:57 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to George
16:33:02 <CharlesL1> scribe: George
16:33:23 <CharlesL1> q?
16:33:26 <CharlesL1> ack George
16:33:41 <George> .Avneesh: Ace would reference the principles
16:34:41 <George> Romain: We do not need to worry about the publication process, because this is a note.
16:35:05 <George> We could publish as one document or we could split it.
16:35:48 <George>  one for ONIX and one for Schema.org.Avneesh: Let's start with two techniques documents
16:36:18 <George> George: Not confirmed, but MARC may be referencing schema.org.
16:36:30 <CharlesL1> Resolution: We will start with 2 techniques document ONIX and Schema.org
16:37:59 <George> Madeleine  will help Charles, and GP will take ONIX.
16:38:41 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:38:43 <George> Matt has done a great job in setting it up. so it may be a lot of copy and pasting.
16:39:36 <George> q+
16:40:07 <CharlesL1> ack Bill_Kasdorf
16:40:33 <George> Bill: Is the principles what Charles put in? Yes.
16:40:39 <CharlesL1> ack George
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16:42:43 <CharlesL1> ack CharlesL1
16:43:27 <CharlesL1> ack CharlesL1
16:43:34 <CharlesL1> ack CharlesL1
16:43:38 <CharlesL1> q?
16:43:49 <CharlesL1> ack CharlesL
16:44:18 <Avneesh> ack bill
16:44:22 <George>  We will probably needCharles: In the last step of presentation of everything.
16:44:58 <George> Bill: What would be most useful are the principles. Can I send the link out?
16:45:31 <Avneesh> q?
16:46:05 <George> Topic: Timeline and how we work.
16:47:53 <George> Charles and GP can put their  parts in to the document.
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16:49:14 <George> After TPAC we will do a pole for our next call.
16:51:23 <CharlesL1> title: EPUB3 CG: A11Y TF Meeting on UX A11Y Metadata
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16:52:57 <CharlesL1> meeting: EPUB3 CG: A11Y TF Meeting on UX A11Y Metadata
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