IRC log of epub3cg-a11y on 2019-09-04
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- zakim, this will be epub3cg-a11y
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- ok, Avneesh
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- present+
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- chair: Avneesh
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- present+George
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- scribe: George
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- Introductions of people present
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- present+
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- present Amy
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- present+ Amy
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- Madeleine has worked on Access for All, which helped to populate schema.org. She is a metadata expert.
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- AS: There was a need for presentation of accessibility in a user friendly way.
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- present+
- 16:10:53 [George]
- VitalSource started this and it was clear that a user friendly presentation was needed. This presented the schema.org metadata.
- 16:11:33 [George]
- LIA brought to us the need to include ONIX. Madeleine has been working to harmonize Schema.org and ONIX.
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- There are also other metadata standards, such as Bibframe and MARC.
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- This brought forward the need to separate the layers of this document.
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- One for principles and one for techniques.
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- We can update the techniques as more metadata standards become relevant.
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- Views?
- 16:13:31 [CharlesL1]
- q?
- 16:13:32 [CharlesL1]
- https://github.com/benetech/UX-Guide-EPUB-A11y-Metadata
- 16:13:58 [gpellegrino]
- +1 to this approach :)
- 16:14:21 [CharlesL1]
- Here is the link to the new W3C github new home for this work
- 16:14:22 [CharlesL1]
- https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/tree/master/UX-Guide-Metadata
- 16:14:30 [Bill_Kasdorf]
- +1 This is really relevant to something I'm working on right now for a client
- 16:14:38 [George]
- How do we formulate the principles and the techniques.
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- q+
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- GP: the first part explains what screen reader friendly means.
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- It explains the high level principles.
- 16:17:25 [gpellegrino]
- Sorry
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- In the high level principles, we explain what we need from the metadata.
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- q?
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- ack gpellegrino
- 16:19:08 [George]
- In the techniques docoument we explain how to extract the documents.
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- AS: Should we have different techniques for the various metadata types?
- 16:20:29 [Bill_Kasdorf]
- q+
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- Matt: we should encapuslate for each metadata type , but on the other hand you could have them together.
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- q+
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- ack Bill_Kasdorf
- 16:22:30 [George]
- Bill: One comprimise is to put one primary and an appendex for others.
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- q+
- 16:23:06 [George]
- It is common for a publisher will need schema.org, ONIX and MARC.
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- ack C
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- Charles: To Bill's point. Who is the intended audience? Is it libraries, vendors?
- 16:24:27 [Bill_Kasdorf]
- q+
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- ack gpellegrino
- 16:24:58 [George]
- If you are talking about a technique, we had the various approaches grouped together. However, because ONIX is so big it blew up in trying to do it.
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- ack Bill_Kasdorf
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- q+ gpellegrino
- 16:25:38 [George]
- Bill: Charle's point is a good one.
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- q+
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- q?
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- Charles: answering Bill's points, a simple concept in schema.org might require multiple items in ONIX.
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- ack gpellegrino
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- ack gre
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- Bill: the differentmetadata idems are very different.
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- GP: We can seprate the principles and referenced them saperately.
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- ack matt
- 16:29:21 [Bill_Kasdorf]
- +1 to what Matt just said about the need to explain the formats
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- q?
- 16:29:39 [Bill_Kasdorf]
- Good luck explaining MARC. . . .
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- providing an exampleMaatt; Add on to the idea if it is not simply then it becomes too complex to explain what ONIX or schema is doing.
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- q+
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- use these techniques?Avneesh: Do we think Ace or SMART would
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- scribe: CharlesL1
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- GK: agree with matt, we are not here to document ONIX / Schema.
- 16:32:46 [gpellegrino]
- +1 to George
- 16:32:49 [CharlesL1]
- …, having a consistent first part and then having a technique for schema, and another for ONIX / MARC/Bibfram then keep it simple separate and we are providing an easy to use example of what this can be, and we are providing a user friendly translation of this.
- 16:32:57 [Bill_Kasdorf]
- +1 to George
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- scribe: George
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- q?
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- ack George
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- .Avneesh: Ace would reference the principles
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- Romain: We do not need to worry about the publication process, because this is a note.
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- We could publish as one document or we could split it.
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- one for ONIX and one for Schema.org.Avneesh: Let's start with two techniques documents
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- George: Not confirmed, but MARC may be referencing schema.org.
- 16:36:30 [CharlesL1]
- Resolution: We will start with 2 techniques document ONIX and Schema.org
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- Madeleine will help Charles, and GP will take ONIX.
- 16:38:41 [Bill_Kasdorf]
- q+
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- Matt has done a great job in setting it up. so it may be a lot of copy and pasting.
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- q+
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- ack Bill_Kasdorf
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- Bill: Is the principles what Charles put in? Yes.
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- ack George
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack CharlesL1
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- q?
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- ack CharlesL
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- ack bill
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- We will probably needCharles: In the last step of presentation of everything.
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- Bill: What would be most useful are the principles. Can I send the link out?
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- q?
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- Topic: Timeline and how we work.
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- Charles and GP can put their parts in to the document.
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/04-epub3cg-a11y-minutes.html Avneesh
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- After TPAC we will do a pole for our next call.
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- title: EPUB3 CG: A11Y TF Meeting on UX A11Y Metadata
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/04-epub3cg-a11y-minutes.html CharlesL1
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- meeting: EPUB3 CG: A11Y TF Meeting on UX A11Y Metadata
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/04-epub3cg-a11y-minutes.html CharlesL1
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