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16:00:39 <janina> agenda?
16:00:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
16:00:39 <trackbot> Date: 04 September 2019
16:01:02 <irfan_> present+
16:01:12 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
16:01:19 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
16:01:19 <janina> agenda+ Next & Future Meetings -- Looking at September
16:01:19 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2019 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2019
16:01:19 <janina> agenda+ Workshop Updates
16:01:19 <janina> agenda+ Task Force Updates
16:01:22 <janina> agenda+ Horizontal reviews https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
16:01:25 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
16:01:27 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
16:01:30 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups Tracking Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups
16:01:33 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
16:01:35 <janina> agenda+ be done
16:01:50 <irfan_> whats wrong with calling number?
16:02:20 <janina>  /me Irfan, new code ... /me Irfan new code, stand by ...
16:04:35 <Joshue108> present+
16:04:55 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:05:35 <janina> present+
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16:05:38 <janina> chair: janina
16:05:42 <Becka11y> present+
16:05:45 <janina> zakim, next item
16:05:45 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda Review & Announcements" taken up [from janina]
16:05:48 <Becka11y> scribe: becka11y
16:06:38 <Becka11y> Janina: asked for agenda edits and news?
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16:06:41 <janina> zakim, next item
16:06:41 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, janina
16:06:46 <Becka11y> no news reported
16:06:47 <janina> zakim, close this item
16:06:47 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
16:06:48 <JF> present+
16:06:49 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:06:49 <Zakim> 2. Next & Future Meetings -- Looking at September [from janina]
16:06:50 <janina> zakim, next item
16:06:50 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Next & Future Meetings -- Looking at September" taken up [from janina]
16:07:27 <Becka11y> Janina: Meeting next week, Sept 11 - TPAC planning mostly
16:08:33 <Becka11y> Janina: following week is TPAC - no meeting Sept 18;
16:09:27 <Becka11y> Janina: TPAC agenda for APA is active - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2019.  made a few edits during meeting
16:09:36 <JF> Q+ to note there is an emergent SC around Accessible Authentication at AG WG
16:13:46 <Becka11y> Janina: asking for thoughts on how to articulate a meaningful agenda with AOM group
16:15:32 <Becka11y> Josh: is API architecture suitable for immersive Web; semantics can be consumed by user agents but environment may change as interactions happening - thus need a bi-directionality; also broader issues around AT integration with XAR; might have embedded ATs within immersive web
16:16:42 <Joshue108> 1) is existing AOM and API architecture suitable for immersive Web or should it just be restricted to Web Components?
16:16:57 <Becka11y> JF:  may be correlation between XR and conversational interfaces;  notion of user interacting with bot or agent is similar between both
16:17:06 <JF> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3NFw6NPyj7QGddBtRmagrtS-x4t9BWan8PYEdSpMZM/edit
16:17:51 <Becka11y> JF: note that there is a WCAG 2.2 SC on assessible authentication - might want to loop in folks from AG WG as well in any conversations.  See above URL for current working document
16:18:12 <Joshue108> 2) Do we need  bi-directionality?  Semantics can be consumed by user agents but may be modified in an imersive environment and change as interactions happening. Like React is data driven, XR semantics may be interaction or results driven.
16:19:41 <Becka11y> Janina: will be talking about what can be acheived in technology (re CAPTCHA) that are not entirely interactive;  mostly use tokens and system vouches for user; believe it could be standardized and eventually kill off interactive CAPTCHA
16:19:51 <Joshue108> 3) We are currently aiming at patching XR with current and even legacy AT, so that architecture may be temporary, or move away from browser and API interactions towards AT being embedded in an immersive environment. So what does good look like for this?
16:20:54 <Becka11y> JF: Just want to make sure AG Working group members and other working on WCAG 2.2 accessible authentication SC are included in any CAPTCHA discussions
16:21:04 <Joshue108> 4) Finally, are Object Orientated approaches to accessible XR preferable over declarative or author applied semantics?
16:21:09 <Joshue108> q+
16:21:17 <janina> q?
16:21:23 <Becka11y> Janina: seeking any pointers on conversational interfaces would be helpful
16:21:23 <janina> ack jf
16:21:23 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to note there is an emergent SC around Accessible Authentication at AG WG
16:21:34 <janina> ack jo
16:21:53 <Becka11y> JF: believe there is a conversational interfaces CG or working group - will try to look it up
16:24:00 <JF> Conversational Interfaces Community Group: http://www.w3.org/community/conv/
16:24:06 <Becka11y> Janina: working to make sure all meetings are accessible - however time zones are a problem.  Check the agenda - it will be updated with contact details as best as possible.  We will meet with CSS in their room - so their channel and Webex
16:24:31 <Becka11y> Janina: propose no meeting the week after TPAC. next meeting after TPAC will be Oct. 2
16:24:34 <janina> zakim, next item
16:24:34 <Zakim> agendum 3. "TPAC 2019 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2019" taken up [from janina]
16:24:46 <janina> zakim, close this item
16:24:46 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
16:24:47 <janina> zakim, next item
16:24:48 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:24:48 <Zakim> 4. Workshop Updates [from janina]
16:24:48 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Workshop Updates" taken up [from janina]
16:26:02 <Becka11y> Janina: any workshop updates?  still have not created slides for the Data Modeling for autos to be held in Palo Alto;  thinking about annotations in data structure to support people with different needs (without sacrificing privacy)
16:27:24 <Becka11y> Janina:  info needed might be on a ride by ride basis - and not be stored.  Need to think creatively to add these additional req. into data model;  will complement them on existing methods that allows user to use “native” currency rather than location currency
16:27:29 <janina> zakim, next item
16:27:29 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Task Force Updates" taken up [from janina]
16:28:06 <Becka11y> Janina:  congrats Irfan and group on first public working draft
16:28:30 <Becka11y> Irfan: just waiting for tech directors permission to update
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16:31:10 <Becka11y> Irfan: working on survey questionaire to AT vendors about approaches to bringing SSML into HTML
16:32:33 <Becka11y> Janina: meeting with TAG on Friday about several questions, pronounciation architecture, and approaches on personalization and RQTF issues
16:33:44 <Becka11y> Janina:  which rendering techs for XR should we approach - is one better for semantic support than another? (to ask at TAG meeting)
16:35:22 <Becka11y> Irfan:  GS-1 is having sesssion at TPAC to discuss voice interaction and assistance - Phil Archer is coordinating; he is interested in what our pronounciation TF is doing to articulate pronounciation.  We will meeting with then Wed. at TPAC and TF is being added to panel on this topic
16:35:29 <JF> Q+
16:35:37 <irfan_> https://www.gs1.org/
16:36:24 <JF> https://philarcher.org/w3c/
16:38:37 <janina> zakim, next item
16:38:37 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina
16:38:41 <janina> q?
16:38:48 <janina> ack jf
16:38:49 <janina> q?
16:38:56 <janina> zakim, next item
16:38:56 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Horizontal reviews https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22" taken up [from janina]
16:39:26 <Becka11y> Josh:  am behind in DOM spec review
16:39:37 <Becka11y> Janina; no worries - try for Oct
16:40:22 <Becka11y> Janina: have a request from WHAT WG to look at HTML (at least a review of changes) for a11y concerns
16:40:57 <Becka11y> Michael: has been published to several lists
16:41:56 <Becka11y> Michael: want HTML reviews by end of October - sooner is better;
16:42:18 <Becka11y> Janina: any volunteers ?  <crickets>  will ask again next week
16:42:32 <janina> zakim, next item
16:42:32 <Zakim> agendum 7. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:42:38 <Becka11y> Michael:  looks like nothing else new for Horizontal review
16:43:33 <Becka11y> Michael: CSS display module level 3 - is in CR and we have open issues we need to deal with
16:43:55 <Becka11y> Michael: still need to send comments on Web of Things
16:44:10 <Becka11y> Michael:  comments on recent XR spec
16:44:24 <Becka11y> Janina: those comments have been sent
16:44:54 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/pub-manifest/ Publication Manifest
16:45:08 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/audiobooks/ Audiobook Profile for Publication Manifest
16:45:13 <Becka11y> Michael:  publication manifest and audio book profile for publication manifest from publications WG
16:45:45 <JF> Q+
16:46:05 <Becka11y> Michael: general manifest about publications using schema.org via Json to standardize publication data; there are a few a11y entries that can take lists of open text
16:46:34 <janina> ack jf
16:46:39 <Becka11y> Janina:  we have been asked to look at these and DPUB has asked for feedback at our TPAC meeting
16:47:12 <MichaelC> action: Janina to review https://www.w3.org/TR/pub-manifest/ Publication Manifest
16:47:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2207 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/pub-manifest/ publication manifest [on Janina Sajka - due 2019-09-11].
16:47:38 <Becka11y> JF: see some overlap with this and the personalization TF; would be good to have Matt (pub. WG) talk to Charles or Lisa; we have some conversations about this and a manifest is one way to tackle
16:48:56 <Becka11y> Janina: manifest main purpose is to make sure you have all the files you need for the book/publication;  Charles is certainly aware of this;  there might be a role for transformations to AAC;
16:49:22 <Becka11y> Janina:  will bring it up at personalization TF next meeting
16:49:34 <Becka11y> Michael: anything specific for audio book profile?
16:49:41 <Becka11y> Janina: I will read that as well
16:49:49 <MichaelC> action: Janina to review https://www.w3.org/TR/audiobooks/ Audiobook Profile for Publication Manifest
16:49:57 <trackbot> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker.  Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
16:50:22 <Becka11y> Janina: we are meeting jointly with Digital Publications WG at TPAC
16:50:39 <MichaelC> action: Janina to review https://www.w3.org/TR/audiobooks/ Audiobook Profile for Publication Manifest
16:50:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2209 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/audiobooks/ audiobook profile for publication manifest [on Janina Sajka - due 2019-09-11].
16:50:53 <MichaelC> action-2208?
16:50:54 <trackbot> action-2208 -- Janina Sajka to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/audiobooks/ audiobook profile for publication manifest -- due 2019-09-11 -- OPEN
16:50:54 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2208
16:50:58 <MichaelC> close action-2209
16:50:58 <trackbot> Closed action-2209.
16:51:06 <MichaelC> action-2208: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Audiobook_Profile_for_Publication_Manifest
16:51:06 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2208 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/audiobooks/ audiobook profile for publication manifest.
16:51:15 <MichaelC> action-2207: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Publication_Manifest
16:51:15 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2207 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/pub-manifest/ publication manifest.
16:51:19 <janina> zakim, next item
16:51:19 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:51:51 <janina> zakim, close this item
16:51:51 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
16:51:52 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:51:52 <Zakim> 9. Community Groups Tracking Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups [from janina]
16:51:53 <janina> zakim, next item
16:51:54 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Community Groups Tracking Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups" taken up [from janina]
16:52:15 <irfan_> scribe: Irfan
16:53:16 <irfan_> becky: added a table on the top, put name and copied description. left an empty column.
16:53:51 <irfan_> becky: have put number of mailing entries
16:54:41 <irfan_> becky: list of the community groups that APA tracks. List could be updated if required
16:55:09 <irfan_> janina: do we want this table approach?
16:55:10 <JF> +1 to sortable column(s)
16:55:27 <irfan_> becky: may be we can have sorting by updates.
16:55:49 <irfan_> becky: we still have a huge list that we do not need to floow. have no idea what to do with this list
16:55:54 <irfan_> janina: its wonderful
16:56:10 <irfan_> s/sloow/follow
16:56:21 <irfan_> s/floow/follow
16:56:34 <Matthew_Atkinson> This looks great IMHO, and another +1 for sortable columns.
16:56:57 <irfan_> janina: Judy wants other group to know about what APA is doing.
16:57:35 <irfan_> becky: may be going forward, we can have another table which is no longer needed to be tracked.. looks doable
16:58:20 <irfan_> janina: I like it. any comments from any one?
16:58:30 <irfan_> becky: we need to go through this as group
16:58:54 <irfan_> janina: after we go through it as a group, Judy can review it after that
16:59:19 <irfan_> rrsagent, make minutes
16:59:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/04-apa-minutes.html irfan_
16:59:35 <irfan_> zakim, who is here?
16:59:36 <Zakim> Present: irfan_, Matthew_Atkinson, Joshue, Joanmarie_Diggs, janina, Becka11y, JF
16:59:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see JF, Becka11y, Zakim, RRSAgent, irfan_, Matthew_Atkinson, MichaelC, janina, tink, jasonjgw, ZoeBijl, joanie, slightlyoff, trackbot
17:00:16 <irfan_> tf: enjoy your trip in japan.
17:00:28 <irfan_> s/tf/jf
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17:01:00 <irfan_> zakim, bye
17:01:00 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been irfan_, Matthew_Atkinson, Joshue, Joanmarie_Diggs, janina, Becka11y, JF
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