IRC log of hydra on 2019-09-03
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2019/09/03-hydra-irc
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- 18:05:10 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- trackbot, start meeting
- 18:05:13 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- Zakim, this is https://www.uberconference.com/hydra-cg
- 18:05:14 [Zakim]
- got it, Karol_Szczepanski
- 18:05:18 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- Meeting: Hydra W3C Community Group Conference Call
- 18:05:25 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- Chair: Karol Szczepanski
- 18:05:31 [serialseb]
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- Agenda: https://www.w3.org/community/hydra/wiki/Conference_Calls#2019-09-03
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- Scribe: Karol_Szczepanski
- 18:09:31 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- present+ t_pluskiewicz
- 18:09:38 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- present+ Karol_Szczepanski
- 18:09:43 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- present+ serialseb
- 18:13:53 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- Topic: Consider extending Hydra to handle non-RDF payloads
- 18:14:57 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- t_pluskiewicz: I had some discussions and the only thing that is needed is the first snipped after the proposed solutions
- 18:15:13 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- https://github.com/HydraCG/Specifications/issues/199
- 18:15:29 [serialseb]
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- 18:16:12 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- t_pluskiewicz: #199 replaces range of the hydra:expect with rangeIncludes
- 18:17:18 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- Karol_Szczepanski: will be there any harm in having both range and rangeIncludes?
- 18:19:21 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- t_pluskiewicz: whatever will be there, will be considered hydra:Class
- 18:19:27 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- Karol_Szczepanski: this is a breaking change
- 18:19:57 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- Karol_Szczepanski: I've suggested replacing a hydra:Class with hydra:Resource leaving range predicate
- 18:22:01 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- https://github.com/HydraCG/Specifications/issues/199#issuecomment-512552384
- 18:23:48 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- t_pluskiewicz: what about having both, range of hydra:Resource and rangeIncludes with more hints
- 18:25:25 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- serialseb: I'm thinking about a generic browser console, when browsing, how will it work?
- 18:26:17 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- t_pluskiewicz: a completely generic browser is ultimately an excercise gowing towards utopia
- 18:26:41 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- t_pluskiewicz: generic client should support at least those of the rangeIncludes values provided in the spec
- 18:28:50 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- serialseb: I may accept an event but that specific server will accept it in turtle format
- 18:34:07 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- serialseb: I think content negitiation shoulld be a topic for another call/spec modifications
- 18:36:32 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- serialseb: I think operation expectation and what can be actually sent may be somehow different
- 18:38:28 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- ACTION: Karol_Szczepanski will create a PR with range of the hydra:expect downgrade to hydra:Resource and introduce rangeIncludes with hydra:Class
- 18:45:21 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- t_pluskiewicz: we shall start thinking aobut an esxtension which will come with those features missing
- 18:45:49 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- Karol_Szczepanski: I'm worried that this will end up with a core vocabulary unusable and several extensions that won't fit to each other
- 18:47:08 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- ACTION: serialseb will provide raw use case scenarios of what may be needed regarding non-RDF payloads and content negotiation
- 18:47:59 [t_pluskiewicz]
- TemplatedLink cannot formally have supportedOperation
- 18:48:04 [t_pluskiewicz]
- https://github.com/HydraCG/Specifications/issues/197
- 18:48:06 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- Topic: Return to recently discussed PRs
- 18:48:46 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- ACTION: Karol_Szczepanski will take care of #197
- 18:49:48 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- Topic: Discuss PRs in Example API repository
- 18:50:42 [t_pluskiewicz]
- https://github.com/HydraCG/api-examples/pull/8
- 18:54:31 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- t_pluskiewicz: I've sidestepped the issue as type entailing is quite complicated when you go deeper
- 18:54:53 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- Karol_Szczepanski: indeed; what Heracles.ts does not is a simple range/domain entailing and possibly I own't go any deeper
- 19:02:17 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- rrsagent, please publish the minutes
- 19:02:17 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/03-hydra-minutes.html Karol_Szczepanski
- 19:02:25 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- rrsagent, please make these logs world-visible
- 19:02:29 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- rrsagent, bye
- 19:02:29 [RRSAgent]
- I see 3 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2019/09/03-hydra-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Karol_Szczepanski will create a PR with range of the hydra:expect downgrade to hydra:Resource and introduce rangeIncludes with hydra:Class [1]
- 19:02:29 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in https://www.w3.org/2019/09/03-hydra-irc#T18-38-28
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- ACTION: serialseb will provide raw use case scenarios of what may be needed regarding non-RDF payloads and content negotiation [2]
- 19:02:29 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in https://www.w3.org/2019/09/03-hydra-irc#T18-47-08
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- ACTION: Karol_Szczepanski will take care of #197 [3]
- 19:02:29 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in https://www.w3.org/2019/09/03-hydra-irc#T18-48-46
- 19:02:37 [Karol_Szczepanski]
- zakim, bye
- 19:02:37 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been t_pluskiewicz, Karol_Szczepanski, serialseb
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