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18:05:10 <Karol_Szczepanski> trackbot, start meeting
18:05:13 <Karol_Szczepanski> Zakim, this is https://www.uberconference.com/hydra-cg
18:05:14 <Zakim> got it, Karol_Szczepanski
18:05:18 <Karol_Szczepanski> Meeting: Hydra W3C Community Group Conference Call
18:05:25 <Karol_Szczepanski> Chair: Karol Szczepanski
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18:05:46 <Karol_Szczepanski> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/community/hydra/wiki/Conference_Calls#2019-09-03
18:07:35 <Karol_Szczepanski> Scribe: Karol_Szczepanski
18:09:31 <Karol_Szczepanski> present+ t_pluskiewicz
18:09:38 <Karol_Szczepanski> present+ Karol_Szczepanski
18:09:43 <Karol_Szczepanski> present+ serialseb
18:13:53 <Karol_Szczepanski> Topic: Consider extending Hydra to handle non-RDF payloads
18:14:57 <Karol_Szczepanski> t_pluskiewicz: I had some discussions and the only thing that is needed is the first snipped after the proposed solutions
18:15:13 <Karol_Szczepanski> https://github.com/HydraCG/Specifications/issues/199
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18:16:12 <Karol_Szczepanski> t_pluskiewicz: #199 replaces range of the hydra:expect with rangeIncludes
18:17:18 <Karol_Szczepanski> Karol_Szczepanski: will be there any harm in having both range and rangeIncludes?
18:19:21 <Karol_Szczepanski> t_pluskiewicz: whatever will be there, will be considered hydra:Class
18:19:27 <Karol_Szczepanski> Karol_Szczepanski: this is a breaking change
18:19:57 <Karol_Szczepanski> Karol_Szczepanski: I've suggested replacing a hydra:Class with hydra:Resource leaving range predicate
18:22:01 <Karol_Szczepanski> https://github.com/HydraCG/Specifications/issues/199#issuecomment-512552384
18:23:48 <Karol_Szczepanski> t_pluskiewicz: what about having both, range of hydra:Resource and rangeIncludes with more hints
18:25:25 <Karol_Szczepanski> serialseb: I'm thinking about a generic browser console, when browsing, how will it work?
18:26:17 <Karol_Szczepanski> t_pluskiewicz: a completely generic browser is ultimately an excercise gowing towards utopia
18:26:41 <Karol_Szczepanski> t_pluskiewicz: generic client should support at least those of the rangeIncludes values provided in the spec
18:28:50 <Karol_Szczepanski> serialseb: I may accept an event but that specific server will accept it in turtle format
18:34:07 <Karol_Szczepanski> serialseb: I think content negitiation shoulld be a topic for another call/spec modifications
18:36:32 <Karol_Szczepanski> serialseb: I think operation expectation and what can be actually sent may be somehow different
18:38:28 <Karol_Szczepanski> ACTION: Karol_Szczepanski will create a PR with range of the hydra:expect downgrade to hydra:Resource and introduce rangeIncludes with hydra:Class
18:45:21 <Karol_Szczepanski> t_pluskiewicz: we shall start thinking aobut an esxtension which will come with those features missing
18:45:49 <Karol_Szczepanski> Karol_Szczepanski: I'm worried that this will end up with a core vocabulary unusable and several extensions that won't fit to each other
18:47:08 <Karol_Szczepanski> ACTION: serialseb will provide raw use case scenarios of what may be needed regarding non-RDF payloads and content negotiation
18:47:59 <t_pluskiewicz> TemplatedLink cannot formally have supportedOperation
18:48:04 <t_pluskiewicz> https://github.com/HydraCG/Specifications/issues/197
18:48:06 <Karol_Szczepanski> Topic: Return to recently discussed PRs
18:48:46 <Karol_Szczepanski> ACTION: Karol_Szczepanski will take care of #197
18:49:48 <Karol_Szczepanski> Topic: Discuss PRs in Example API repository
18:50:42 <t_pluskiewicz> https://github.com/HydraCG/api-examples/pull/8
18:54:31 <Karol_Szczepanski> t_pluskiewicz: I've sidestepped the issue as type entailing is quite complicated when you go deeper
18:54:53 <Karol_Szczepanski> Karol_Szczepanski: indeed; what Heracles.ts does not is a simple range/domain entailing and possibly I own't go any deeper
19:02:17 <Karol_Szczepanski> rrsagent, please publish the minutes
19:02:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/03-hydra-minutes.html Karol_Szczepanski
19:02:25 <Karol_Szczepanski> rrsagent, please make these logs world-visible
19:02:29 <Karol_Szczepanski> rrsagent, bye
19:02:29 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2019/09/03-hydra-actions.rdf :
19:02:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Karol_Szczepanski will create a PR with range of the hydra:expect downgrade to hydra:Resource and introduce rangeIncludes with hydra:Class [1]
19:02:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2019/09/03-hydra-irc#T18-38-28
19:02:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: serialseb will provide raw use case scenarios of what may be needed regarding non-RDF payloads and content negotiation [2]
19:02:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2019/09/03-hydra-irc#T18-47-08
19:02:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Karol_Szczepanski will take care of #197 [3]
19:02:29 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2019/09/03-hydra-irc#T18-48-46
19:02:37 <Karol_Szczepanski> zakim, bye
19:02:37 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been t_pluskiewicz, Karol_Szczepanski, serialseb
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