IRC log of wot-sec on 2019-09-02
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2019/09/02-wot-sec-irc
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- Meeting: WoT Security
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- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Elena_Reshetova, Michael_McCool
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- scribenick: kaz
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- Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_Security_WebConf#Agenda
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- topic: Review minutes
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- -> https://www.w3.org/2019/08/26-wot-sec-minutes.html Aug-26 minutes
- 12:09:42 [kaz]
- mm: don't see any problems
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- ... objections to accept the minutes?
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- (no objections)
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- mm: accepted
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- topic: Rescheduling the security call
- 12:10:29 [kaz]
- -> https://doodle.com/poll/uygq7wtn75syw8h2 Doodle
- 12:10:54 [kaz]
- mm: Taki can't make Monday
- 12:11:11 [kaz]
- ... any preference on the slots on Monday?
- 12:11:16 [kaz]
- er: no preference
- 12:11:31 [kaz]
- mm: prefer the later time
- 12:11:33 [kaz]
- kaz: me too
- 12:11:48 [kaz]
- mm: so let's go with 7am JST
- 12:12:30 [kaz]
- action: kaz to allocate a new webex and distribute it for the next week
- 12:12:38 [kaz]
- kaz: will do
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- mm: after talking with Taki, we might be going to change the slot again
- 12:13:05 [kaz]
- (Zoltan joins)
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- mm: Zoltan, we were talking about the new slot for the Security call
- 12:13:22 [kaz]
- ... (explains the situation)
- 12:13:58 [kaz]
- er: it's 1pm in Finland
- 12:14:02 [kaz]
- zk: ok
- 12:14:37 [kaz]
- ... fine by me though might be a bit late
- 12:15:17 [kaz]
- topic: WG Charter draft
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- -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/856 PR 856
- 12:16:02 [McCool]
- https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/charters/wot-wg-charter-draft-2019.html
- 12:16:12 [kaz]
- mm: the initial PR (PR 856) has been merged
- 12:17:16 [kaz]
- http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-wg-charter-draft-2019.html
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- mm: rendered version above
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- ... as far as security goes
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- ... topics on security within "2. Scope"
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- ... also Interoperability Profiles
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- ... Discovery
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- ... need to work with the Privacy group
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- ... security aspects for Implementation View Spec as well
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- ... 2.6 Discovery
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- ... we have to define deliverables
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- ... possibly break out into 2 pieces
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- ... introduction and exploration
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- ... peer-to-peer discovery could be supported as a special case
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- ... have to coordinate with IETF, etc.
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- ... need more general context here
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- ... 2.7 Identity Management
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- ... Kaz mentioned there is a proposed WG named the Decentralized ID WG
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- ... should collaborate with them
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- ... kind of like ID management lifecycle
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- ... e.g., please notify me when the ID management changes
- 12:23:08 [kaz]
- ... device with right access to be handled
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- ... we have a deliverable down here ("3. Deliverables")
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- ... we need to create repos for those deliverables
- 12:24:01 [kaz]
- ... would like to start soon
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- ... Michael Lagally is generating draft as well
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- ... any comments?
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- zk: discovery for WoT?
- 12:25:04 [kaz]
- ... do we want to define ourselves?
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- mm: good point
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- ... have predescribed script
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- ... in fact we're doing how to distribute things
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- ... because existing devices don't distribute TDs
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- zk: distributing script as well?
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- mm: maybe
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- s/maybe/may be/
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- zk: some king of manifest of something
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- ... some kind of package
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- s/king/kind/
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- mm: bunch of things that are listed as "Notes"
- 12:27:15 [kaz]
- ... normative deliverables are extracted from the powerpoint we discussed in Munich
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- zk: was there any deliverable which can be included as Note?
- 12:27:44 [kaz]
- mm: hold on...
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- ... (shares the powerpoint slide from Munich)
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- ... other things used to on the REC track
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- ... essentially deployment model and packaging
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- ... WG Charter can be changed later
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- ... what we should do is
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- ... if you think deployment/packaging mechanism for Scripting would be useful, you can create a PR for that proposal
- 12:29:56 [kaz]
- ... the current list is generated from the powerpoint in Munich
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- zk: ok
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- ... some provisions to associate things
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- ... should be contained to Scripting distribution mechanism
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- mm: 2 kinds of dependency
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- ... MPM kind of packaging
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- ... and function
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- ... query mechanism and installation mechanism
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- zk: we don't have to re-invent generic distribution mechanism
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- mm: packaging of script
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- ... there is dependency
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- ... 2 parts of manifest
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- s/MPM/NPM/
- 12:32:34 [kaz]
- ... very interesting
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- zk: let's say I discover things and would know about the capability of scripts
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- ... up to the clients
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- mm: please review this draft Charter
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- ... and also proposals from Michael Lagally
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- -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-profile/ wot-profile proposal
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- (Elena leaves)
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- mm: what is the right context to handle the context?
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- ... have been talking about the orchestrator
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- ... e.g., Panasonic, etc., use node-red
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- q+
- 12:38:04 [kaz]
- mm: we could add another deliverable for management script
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- ... need context for interoperability
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- ... just like profile, we need draft text which describes the context and the basic architecture
- 12:38:47 [kaz]
- ... would be useful to do
- 12:39:37 [kaz]
- ... personally started to think Scripting API could be a Note by the IG
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- ... IG should be incubating the requirements
- 12:40:24 [kaz]
- zk: it's specific to node-wot and typescript
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- mm: we could add management API
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- ... with packaging capability
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- zk: JS is the language supported by Web browsers
- 12:41:25 [kaz]
- ... that might be one way to go for something like Web Assembly
- 12:41:46 [kaz]
- mm: what to be contained for packaging?
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- ... those things could be interesting
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- zk: right now we have JS runtime
- 12:42:35 [kaz]
- ... there are some issues to tackle
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- ... it's something would make sense
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- ... but not directly related to WoT
- 12:43:32 [kaz]
- mm: if we go for more general mechanism for packaging
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- ... need a draft text to be included in the draft Charter
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- ... need same thing for packaging and/or management API
- 12:45:40 [kaz]
- kaz: it sounds like object-oriented programming
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- ... how to combine the TD model and Scripting API as a possible method for the data model
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- mm: would create an issue about this point
- 12:51:20 [McCool]
- https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/861
- 12:52:39 [kaz]
- mm: WG Charter issue above
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- ... also it would be nice to have a specific repo for the wot-discovery discussion
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- ... will generate a draft first
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- ... and let's have discussion during the main call
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- zk: regarding the above Issue 861
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- ... we need use cases to motivate it
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- mm: ok
- 12:55:19 [kaz]
- ... (adds comment on that point)
- 12:55:31 [kaz]
- ... why don't you add your comments to this thread?
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- zk: ok
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- [adjourned]
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/09/02-wot-sec-minutes.html kaz
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