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11:58:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
11:58:20 <trackbot> Date: 29 August 2019
11:58:37 <LarsG> Meeting: DXWG CNEG Subgroup Telecon
11:58:43 <LarsG> present+
12:02:36 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
12:02:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/08/29-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG
12:03:10 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please make logs public
12:03:15 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
12:03:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/08/29-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG
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12:06:36 <ncar> present+
12:09:15 <ncar> scribe: ncar
12:09:19 <LarsG> Chair: LarsG
12:09:24 <LarsG> scribeNick: ncar
12:09:53 <ncar> TOPIC: conform agenda https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2019.08.29
12:10:17 <LarsG> +1
12:10:21 <ncar> +1
12:10:52 <roba> +1
12:11:34 <ncar> TOPIC: approve minues of last meeting
12:11:37 <LarsG> https://www.w3.org/2019/08/22-dxwgcneg-minutes
12:12:03 <LarsG> +1
12:12:13 <roba> +1
12:12:24 <ncar> +1
12:12:25 <ncar> RESOLVED: approve minues of last meeting
12:12:43 <ncar> TOPIC: open action items
12:12:52 <LarsG> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/products/4
12:13:23 <LarsG> action-193?
12:13:23 <trackbot> action-193 -- Rob Atkinson to Move jmeter test suite to within w3c systems -- due 2018-09-05 -- OPEN
12:13:23 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/193
12:13:54 <ncar> roba: this is still open but progress is being made
12:14:05 <ncar> roba: list profiles support still to go
12:14:08 <LarsG> action-306?
12:14:08 <trackbot> action-306 -- Nicholas Car to Ask annette if #544 can be closed, else she should provide more detail -- due 2019-03-07 -- OPEN
12:14:08 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/306
12:15:42 <LarsG> ncar: underlying issue has been long closed
12:15:50 <LarsG> ... so we can close this action
12:15:56 <LarsG> close action-306
12:15:56 <trackbot> Closed action-306.
12:16:02 <ncar> ACTION-306 is only being closed now since it was in the wrong ACTION list and not seen
12:16:12 <LarsG> action-358?
12:16:12 <trackbot> action-358 -- Rob Atkinson to to convene working session to co-develop common model to match link header data and alternates view requirements. -- due 2019-08-08 -- OPEN
12:16:12 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/358
12:17:00 <ncar> roba: action still open
12:17:16 <ncar> TOPIC: Discussion of #1017
12:17:20 <LarsG> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1017
12:18:00 <ncar> LarsG: initiated by a question from TomB
12:18:30 <LarsG> Comment from Karen: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/2019Aug/0002.html
12:18:52 <LarsG> Comments from TomB: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/2019Aug/0003.html https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/2019Aug/0004.html
12:29:24 <ncar> As per discussion in the CNEG subgroup meeting 2019-08-29, the subgroup feels that if communities wish to use Conneg by Profile, then they must provide URIs for the things being conformed to (Profiles). Communities may choose not to do so but then they will not be able to use this specification.
12:30:22 <ncar> (the above is proposed wording for a response in the GitHub Issue)
12:32:13 <roba> when using the proposed CNEG mechanisms it is up to each community to determine what a profile identifier means in terms of expected responses. If a URI points to an ambiguous resource with no clear conformance requirements then server may not be usefully predictable.
12:32:18 <ncar> (the above is proposed wording for a response in the GitHub Issue)
12:32:46 <roba> the nature of the server response
12:36:14 <ncar> The above response is in Issue 1071 (https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1017#issuecomment-526164813)
12:36:28 <ncar> TOPIC: Discussion of schedule for moving to REC before end-of-year
12:36:33 <LarsG> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Steps-to-Recommendation-2019
12:47:17 <ncar> 1. this proposal, to cater for tokens, does impact the IETF document - the token definition mechanism will need to be given there
12:47:58 <ncar> 2. servers may choose to implement tokens or not
12:48:42 <ncar> 3. if they do not, they have no further work to do (nothing to implement)
12:49:42 <ncar> 4. the motivation for catering for tokens is that existing profile negotiation systems (pyLDAPI, OAI-PMH, OGC Name Server) all use tokens
12:50:51 <ncar> 5. if we do not provide a token/URI linking mecahnism in the IETF doc, since the W3C doc is dependent on it, then we prevent those systems from being able to adhere to a formal specification
12:50:56 <LarsG> <The above points is about issue #290>
13:11:09 <ncar> ACTION: LarsG to propose generalising syntax for the IETF doc to bypass hard requriement for token indicator
13:11:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-362 - Propose generalising syntax for the ietf doc to bypass hard requriement for token indicator [on Lars G. Svensson - due 2019-09-05].
13:12:03 <ncar> rrsagent, generate minutes v2
13:12:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/08/29-dxwgcneg-minutes.html ncar
13:18:59 <LarsG> present+ roba
13:19:22 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
13:19:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/08/29-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG