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11:58:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
11:58:20 <trackbot> Date: 08 August 2019
11:58:37 <LarsG> Meeting: DXWG CNEG Subgroup telecon
11:58:51 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please make logs public
11:59:04 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
11:59:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/08/08-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG
12:00:52 <LarsG> present+
12:01:23 <ncar> present+
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12:07:02 <LarsG> Chair: ncar
12:07:07 <LarsG> scribenick: LarsG
12:07:24 <LarsG> Topic: Confirm agenda
12:07:29 <LarsG> +1
12:07:35 <ncar> +1
12:07:40 <roba> +1
12:07:42 <LarsG> RESOLVED: Agenda confirmed
12:07:42 <ncar> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2019.08.08
12:07:55 <LarsG> Topic: Approve minutes from last meeting – https://www.w3.org/2019/08/01-dxwgcneg-minutes
12:08:00 <LarsG> +1
12:08:43 <roba> +1
12:08:44 <ncar> +1
12:08:47 <LarsG> RESOLVED: Approve minutes from last meeting
12:08:53 <LarsG> Topic: Check list of open action items
12:08:58 <ncar> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/products/4
12:09:11 <LarsG> action-193?
12:09:11 <trackbot> action-193 -- Rob Atkinson to Move jmeter test suite to within w3c systems -- due 2018-09-05 -- OPEN
12:09:11 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/193
12:09:20 <LarsG> roba: still open
12:09:28 <LarsG> action-347?
12:09:28 <trackbot> action-347 -- Rob Atkinson to Create new gh issue explaining the problem of redirects and refer to that issue in the wd -- due 2019-07-18 -- OPEN
12:09:28 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/347
12:10:39 <ncar> This action is already addressed by Issue 603
12:10:49 <LarsG> roba: there is an issue 683 but is it really reflected in the draft?
12:11:03 <LarsG> ncar: don't think so
12:11:23 <LarsG> s/683/603/
12:12:04 <LarsG> ncar: will go into an early part of the abstract model
12:13:00 <LarsG> roba: abstract model is correct for web architecture
12:13:13 <LarsG> ncar: will put that into an existing PR
12:13:27 <LarsG> ... then roba can commit to that PR in the same branch
12:14:01 <LarsG> ... Shall past issue 603 into the document
12:14:13 <LarsG> ... which should resolve the issue
12:14:19 <LarsG> s/past/paste/
12:15:01 <LarsG> ... Done (reference to 603 is now in the document)
12:15:13 <LarsG> ... and we can close 347
12:15:19 <LarsG> close action-347
12:15:19 <trackbot> Closed action-347.
12:15:28 <LarsG> action-351
12:15:29 <trackbot> action-351 -- Lars G. Svensson to Review antoine's comments and check if the 3pwd addresses them all -- due 2019-08-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
12:15:29 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/351
12:16:30 <LarsG> <LarsG> was dealt with in last week's meeting. can be closed
12:16:37 <LarsG> close action-351
12:16:38 <trackbot> Closed action-351.
12:16:44 <LarsG> action-355
12:16:44 <trackbot> action-355 -- Lars G. Svensson to Respond to tom baker re uris for profiles inside of documents -- due 2019-08-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW
12:16:44 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/355
12:17:27 <LarsG> <LarsG> mail has been sent to comments and WG lists. Can be closed
12:17:30 <LarsG> close action-355
12:17:30 <trackbot> Closed action-355.
12:17:36 <LarsG> action-356
12:17:36 <trackbot> action-356 -- Nicholas Car to Implement antoine's suggestions as laid out in https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/575#issuecomment-515982929 -- due 2019-08-08 -- OPEN
12:17:36 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/356
12:17:48 <LarsG> ncar: not yet complete
12:17:54 <LarsG> action-357?
12:17:54 <trackbot> action-357 -- Rob Atkinson to Add examples using 303 redirects -- due 2019-08-08 -- OPEN
12:17:54 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/357
12:18:44 <LarsG> ncar: there are a number of examples in the doc. the fourth example currently has a 303 redirect
12:19:01 <LarsG> roba: Need some time to review
12:19:14 <LarsG> ... keep open
12:19:20 <LarsG> action-358?
12:19:20 <trackbot> action-358 -- Rob Atkinson to to convene working session to co-develop common model to match link header data and alternates view requirements. -- due 2019-08-08 -- OPEN
12:19:20 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/358
12:19:49 <LarsG> ncar: has thought about this but not done anything yet.
12:20:08 <LarsG> roba: have been working through the requirements
12:20:24 <LarsG> ... but need working code
12:20:31 <LarsG> ... will get to it asap
12:20:53 <LarsG> Topic: Discussion of Antoine's conneg doc edits. We particularly should look at #11 (referencing issue 591)
12:21:04 <LarsG> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/575#issuecomment-515982929
12:21:40 <LarsG> ncar: Have done quite some edits but not all.
12:21:53 <LarsG> ... need to discuss #11
12:23:06 <LarsG> ... have done #4, #5, #6, #7 and #15
12:23:45 <LarsG> ... there is a separate branch for this in github
12:24:08 <LarsG> ... #16 is a long one, need to come back to that and the following ones
12:25:16 <LarsG> ... #11: if you want to have a preference order of profiles
12:25:24 <LarsG> ... you need an ordered list
12:25:51 <LarsG> ... Antoines asks what happens when the q-Values differ from that preference list
12:26:25 <LarsG> ... my understanding is that q-values give a preference order
12:26:33 <LarsG> <LarsG> +1
12:27:17 <LarsG> ... one could use q-values with query string tokens, too
12:27:35 <LarsG> roba: cannot say if one of the othere is better
12:27:54 <LarsG> ncar: abstract model says "some kind of list ordering"
12:28:47 <LarsG> ncar: default is not to have any ordering in QSA
12:28:56 <LarsG> ... so we need to find a way to do it
12:29:07 <LarsG> roba: seems reasonable
12:36:13 <LarsG> <Lots of discussion about how q-values are used in conneg and if we need to mimick that exactly in QSA>
12:38:49 <LarsG> <LarsG>: Those who want to use q-values probably use header-based conneg anyway
12:39:00 <LarsG> ... so we don't really need them in QSA
12:39:57 <LarsG> ncar: will craft a proposal
12:40:34 <LarsG> ... as part of the ongoing edits
12:40:55 <LarsG> ... #16
12:42:01 <LarsG> ... #17 shall check this one
12:42:13 <LarsG> ... #18 text removal, easy
12:43:14 <LarsG> ... #19 shall look.
12:43:31 <LarsG> Topic: Status check of 3PWD Issues: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/20
12:44:14 <ncar> Try this link for ordering: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22Conneg+3PWD%22
12:45:50 <LarsG> ncar: #538, we should close this one and create new issues for the remaining parts
12:46:03 <LarsG> ... #575 in progress
12:46:49 <LarsG> ... #589 Jaro hasn't responded so let's keep it open for another few days
12:47:40 <LarsG> ... #591 part of #575, too. We must align
12:48:35 <LarsG> ... #678 in on LarsG who hasn't done anything yet
12:50:06 <LarsG> roba: we don't have a use case
12:50:31 <LarsG> ncar: #785
12:51:30 <LarsG> roba: this is to clarify if we need distinct URLs for all representations
12:51:42 <LarsG> ncar: we've answered it already
12:51:58 <LarsG> ... shall put the link to the new example into the issue
12:52:15 <LarsG> ... and then we can ask Kam if he's fine with that
12:52:49 <LarsG> ... #852
12:53:21 <LarsG> roba: still open, shall have a look at the 303 examples
12:54:05 <LarsG> ncar: #904 Is probably closed since we've proposed a solution
12:54:20 <LarsG> ... are we happy with the propsed way?
12:54:43 <LarsG> roba: shall look closer during my implementation
12:55:06 <LarsG> ncar: OK, let's close and then re-open if necessary
12:55:08 <LarsG> +1
12:56:38 <LarsG> ncar: #932 we've got a recommendation to list all profiles
12:56:58 <LarsG> roba: then the clients might get a long list ...
12:57:50 <LarsG> ... and then it still needs to figure out which is the most specific one
12:58:18 <LarsG> ncar: it will take one that it knows from the list, and if it doesn't know any of the profiles
12:58:28 <LarsG> ... then it's not worse out than before
12:58:57 <LarsG> roba: What is taken as base specification is a context specific choice
12:59:48 <LarsG> ... would like to leave this open a bit more
13:00:02 <LarsG> ... it's easier to think through when you implement
13:00:19 <LarsG> ncar: #1017
13:00:44 <LarsG> roba: think we've done that, have written text
13:03:26 <LarsG> ncar: shall read the discussion and mark due for closing if it's covered
13:03:27 <LarsG> +1
13:03:41 <LarsG> ncar: #1022
13:04:43 <LarsG> roba: there is no functional requirement in conneg to differentiate between "functional" and "data" profiling
13:05:11 <LarsG> ncar: shall read the last comments and see if it's ok
13:05:50 <LarsG> Topic: From the plenary
13:06:24 <LarsG> ncar: if we give the plenary the 3wpd on August 15, they have two weeks time to review and then we can go to publication
13:07:01 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
13:07:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/08/08-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG
13:07:20 <LarsG> bye all
13:07:31 <LarsG> happy to help
13:07:32 <roba> bye
13:07:37 <ncar> bye
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