<scribe> Scribe: JF
irfan: ongoing discussion
Irfan had forwarded some pointers regarding some of the groups we may want to meet with. Janina added some additional groups
JS: we should ensure that the
discussion we had is archived publicly
... WebApps is not prepared to talk with us. they don't do HTML
anymore, and the group that does won't be meeting at TPAC
our proposed agenda isn't ready... WebAPps suggests we talk to TAG
So, who wee need to talk to is less clear now
WebApps no longer works on HTML
So it is possible we need to chat with TAG
JS: but at this point, WebApps isn't the right group
Irfan: previously mentioned Leonie... is that still a good point person?
JS: the full list of groups that are meeting is listed on the wiki... we should look at that to see which groups to talk with
<irfan> jf: question for janina. two people for a quick chat. Chris Wilson and David Singer. they could be useful
<irfan> Janina: will check which group they are in.
<irfan> janina: will send an email right away
Irfan: I have had a chance to review this document. there may be some langugage issues, but nothing major sticking out
it has now been formatted in W3C way, and open for feedback - this is the first draft version
<janina> ~https://w3c.github.io/pronunciation/user-scenarios/
[off-topic discussion about providing URLs into meeting agendas]
PG: tried to link up with a local professor, who had created the virtual reality demo
PG.... soundtracks... XR standards, and how that may be useful to look at. Believe these are user-scenarios we should be includinging
<irfan> http://matatk.agrip.org.uk/articles/w3c-workshop-on-web-games/#pronunciation-of-gender-neutral-words
JS: we can and will. XR in particular are being tracked by the APA, as it has a broad impact on accessibility
Irfan: are you talking about [unintelligable] at CSUN?
PG: No
Irfan: ... workshop (regarding gaming?) at TPAC
PG: posted that last week, but have not had any personal contact
scraped that and added it to issues log
Irfan: had posted a URL...
I just checked to see his email before this call - ongoing thread will include Paul in the thread
PG: specific issue for any pronunciation platform
how it gets into a game or mechanics or audio descriptions
PG: for webVTT, mostly for audio descriptions, or non-audio content in an XR gaming platform (for example)
Not sure how that is provided to blind/low vision
Looking at the structure: where and when do we insert pronunciation in these platforms?
Irfan: need to build out this list of questions, so that we can follow up
JS: it's more than just gaming...
lot of technologies being built. Not just WebXR, but also
gaming, etc.
... This is very much an APA issue, and coordination is
happening there
primarily via RQTF
JS: looking at the mechanics of this
<Sam> Apologies, need to drop off for a call....
PG: I am looking at this from the technical approach - where in the cahin is this added?
*cahin/chain
JS: we're learning about this now. We have some info on some, but we're still looking
What we are dong here is creating a building block
JF: need to think of open systems and also closed eco-systems
<paul_grenier> queu+
JS: don't understand the gender-neutral use-case
PG: we do this in english frequently
so the question is, what is the choice, should there be a consistent choice? Is there a direct relationship with the actual language, or the intent
I argue it should be pronounced as intended, and not how it may actually be written
PG: provided an example. Technically we don't have the tools to do this. For now, we need something to bridge the gap
JS: there are a lot of
assumptions here. If the author creates a new word, it needs to
be pronounced as written
... this is a common issue in translation
<irfan> JF: may be it is concern.. we are talking about creating mechanism hat allows user how a particular characteristic is interpreted by AT
JS: don't believe this belongs
PG: if you write a blog, and you coin a new term... [suggests GIF/GIF] debate...
if we had good indication from the onset
JS: agreed. But SR's can also add custom pronunciation terms
But end user should not be able to change the content - copyright issues
[discussion]
[summary] we have a commmon problem, and examples are popping up - adds relatability to a larger group of authors
we need a mecanism to extend this
Irfan: after this discussion about gender-neutral langauge, should this be written up, or should we be asking form more information
JS: haven't seen the email. We *are* working on the mechansim to do this, but we don't force authros to push pronunciations
thatr isn't our role - we are not "correct speech " censors
Irfan: I keep seeing possible cross-group use-cases. Is there a way of contacting multiple groups at the W3C that we don't know, to ping our work?
JS: there are mechanisms, but
it's a murky place
... we need some political friends as well - which is why we
want to talk to TAG (etc.)
... but we'll work it best we can at TPAC
JF: suggest we look at being very prepared for the Wednesday Plenary day at TPAC
PG: could help to prepare assets to assist in that
Irfan: we discussed looking at some information
Paul, did you get a chance to review or add to that content?
PG: di dupdate the use-cases document with a pull request
<irfan> https://www.w3.org/TR/string-meta/
Irfan: seems to be some similarity
PG: my take is that they are passing a JSON object at the page level - feels very verbose and heavy
this is closer to PLS, where you describe the vocag for the entire page
JS: we may need to discuss this
in more detial
... one concerns is... will we meet our publication
deadline?
Irfan: we discussed this, This will be a First Working Draft, and not eh final publication
was discussing this with Mark... think we should be OK
not seeing any coincerns at this time
JS: that's good news
... Roy had a medical emergency, so he is out of pocket for the
immeadiate future
PG: I will double check that document, and see if i can add anything to the Use-cases document
I spent my time this week on other issues
Mark just went through a revision last week - still in process
looking to add more narrative in the beginning
we need more examples of actual code examples
<scribe> on-going
Irfan: have been working on this, but it needs review first. Stand by
trackbot, end meeting
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