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19:50:51 <DaveBrowning> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference 31 July 2019
19:51:05 <DaveBrowning> agenda:https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.07.31
19:52:24 <DaveBrowning> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference 31 July 2019
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19:53:28 <DaveBrowning> chair: DaveBrowning
19:53:42 <DaveBrowning> present+
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20:03:12 <DaveBrowning> regrets: Makx
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20:10:04 <alejandra> present+
20:10:06 <AndreaPerego> topic: approve agenda
20:10:17 <DaveBrowning> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.07.31
20:11:13 <PWinstanley> q+
20:11:16 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: That's pretty simple. Any suggests changes / additions?
20:11:27 <DaveBrowning> ack PWinstanley
20:12:07 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: We could also include the question I made to Philippe - whether or not in non-normative sections we can refer to document which are still draft.
20:12:19 <AndreaPerego> PLH: Not a problem at all.
20:12:20 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:12:36 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
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20:13:40 <DaveBrowning> Minutes of last meeting : https://www.w3.org/2019/07/24-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:13:43 <AndreaPerego> topic: approve last meeting minutes
20:13:53 <SimonCox> +1
20:13:56 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:13:57 <PWinstanley> +1
20:14:02 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:14:05 <alejandra> +1
20:14:33 <AndreaPerego> +1 modulo add me please
20:14:49 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:15:46 <AndreaPerego> resolved: last meeting minutes approved
20:16:55 <AndreaPerego> topic: summary for plh
20:17:17 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: We published a new WD and proactively asked feedback . We got a good amount.
20:17:58 <AndreaPerego> ... We basically incorporated most of the comments.
20:18:49 <AndreaPerego> ... There are still open issues, but they are close to be solved.
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20:19:39 <AndreaPerego> present+ plh
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20:20:00 <AndreaPerego> ... We can see the end of it, although there is still some work to be done.
20:20:30 <AndreaPerego> ... Some of them are about the .ttl document.
20:20:52 <AndreaPerego> ... So, we should be able to complete the document shortly.
20:21:13 <AndreaPerego> ... We have however 2 questions:
20:21:27 <AndreaPerego> ... (1) mechanics about RDF implementation
20:21:39 <AndreaPerego> ... (2) timing to implementation report.
20:21:41 <PWinstanley> q+
20:21:47 <DaveBrowning> ack PWinstanley
20:21:52 <AndreaPerego> ... Any comments / questions?
20:22:13 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: BTW, we had also a poll about moving DCAT to CR.
20:22:39 <AndreaPerego> ... This is settled [12 positive responses out of 12]
20:23:27 <AndreaPerego> plh: So, it seems there are not substantive changes, only editorial, right?
20:23:32 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Yep.
20:23:59 <AndreaPerego> plh: This then should not block the steps to the director to move to CR.
20:24:27 <AndreaPerego> ... So, you just have to say that you are in the process of addressing all the comments.
20:24:30 <alejandra> +q
20:24:51 <PWinstanley> q+
20:24:58 <AndreaPerego> ... Did you get comments from the privacy people?
20:25:06 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
20:25:22 <DaveBrowning> ack PWinstanley
20:25:52 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: I made a presentation to the privacy people, but no substantive feedback.
20:26:06 <AndreaPerego> plh: So this should be settled.
20:26:56 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: What they said is that if we do a primer, then that could be the place to state privacy issues.
20:27:46 <AndreaPerego> ... So they see privacy issues more in scope in a document about implementation of DCAT rather than in the DCAT spec itself.
20:28:17 <PWinstanley> s/to state privacy/to re-enforce the message of/
20:28:19 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: I wonder what may happen in case we get substantive comments while already in the CR process.
20:28:45 <AndreaPerego> plh: That would be unfortunate. You risk to have a delay up to 30 days.
20:29:07 <AndreaPerego> ... But I suggest you go ahead and you deal with this if this happen.
20:29:18 <alejandra> ok, thanks
20:29:43 <AndreaPerego> ... Anyway, in such a case, you have to publish a new CR, but you have just to explain what is different.
20:30:11 <AndreaPerego> ... There's also the call for exclusion.
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20:30:41 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: So, coming back to our questions...
20:30:49 <DaveBrowning> topic: rdf files
20:31:10 <PWinstanley>  https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/881#issuecomment-516859294
20:31:14 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: The new spec uses the same namespace of the original one.
20:32:09 <AndreaPerego> ... The current namespace page of DCAT points to different serialisations of the 2014 DCAT voc.
20:32:58 <AndreaPerego> ... So, our idea is to add some more links, but we replace the current files with the ones with the new version.
20:33:18 <AndreaPerego> ... We need some guidance on how to do this.
20:33:28 <AndreaPerego> plh: It is up to you to decide.
20:34:14 <AndreaPerego> ... But we can link only to 1 .ttl file for the namespace URI.
20:34:38 <AndreaPerego> ... You can then use a different URL for the old one.
20:35:06 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox: Another issue is that the link from DCAT 2014 will point to DCAT 2.
20:37:47 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: I am not aware of DCAT implementations which owl:import the vocabulary, but there may be.
20:38:18 <AndreaPerego> ... I wonder whether, plh, if W3C is thinking about version URLs for vocabularies as done for specs.
20:38:50 <AndreaPerego> plh: The person you could ask is ?? so you can ask feedback on what you want to do.
20:39:03 <AndreaPerego> ... Is this a blocking issue?
20:39:11 <DaveBrowning> s/??/Ralph Swick/
20:39:26 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: I don't think so, as it is not normative.
20:39:45 <AndreaPerego> plh: So you can go ahead, while asking feedback to Ralph.
20:40:10 <AndreaPerego> action: DaveBrowning to contact Ralph Swick about guidance on vocabulary versioning
20:40:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-354 - Contact ralph swick about guidance on vocabulary versioning [on David Browning - due 2019-08-07].
20:40:35 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Then if everyone is happy we can move to the next agenda item
20:40:44 <AndreaPerego> topic: implementation report
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20:41:15 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: We would like to check what we have to do, also considering we are in August.
20:42:01 <AndreaPerego> plh: What you need to do for CR is to explain what we want to demonstrate.
20:42:26 <AndreaPerego> ... This may start a negotiation.
20:43:40 <AndreaPerego> ... Depending on whether you have or not implementation evidence at the time of transition to CR, you can already move to the next step.
20:44:11 <AndreaPerego> plh: Do you want me to send everyone the template to be filled in?
20:44:18 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: Yes, please.
20:44:50 <AndreaPerego> plh: So after your request, the director will take 7 days for publishing the CR.
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20:46:38 <AndreaPerego> ... It is also possible to make some editorial changes before going out.
20:46:59 <AndreaPerego> ... Any substantive changes will require publishing a new CR.
20:47:32 <AndreaPerego> ... BTW, we want to be sure you are not touching any patent.
20:48:15 <AndreaPerego> ... Noting also the that notion of "substantive" may be subjective.
20:48:22 <PWinstanley> q+ can we get a legal read-through (to cover most of the patent concern)?
20:48:36 <PWinstanley> can we get a legal read-through (to cover most of the patent concern)?
20:48:58 <PWinstanley> q+ to ask can we get a legal read-through (to cover most of the patent concern)?
20:49:17 <AndreaPerego> s/can we get a legal read-through (to cover most of the patent concern)?//
20:49:24 <DaveBrowning> q?
20:49:48 <DaveBrowning> ack PWinstanley
20:49:48 <Zakim> PWinstanley, you wanted to ask can we get a legal read-through (to cover most of the patent concern)?
20:49:53 <AndreaPerego> plh: About substantive comments coming in during CR, this is not so frequent.
20:50:30 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: Can anyone at W3C have a check to see if anything in DCAT may trigger licences?
20:50:38 <AndreaPerego> plh: Absolutely not.
20:51:52 <AndreaPerego> ... About legal issues, this happens some times, but we address this with the calls for exclusions.
20:52:18 <AndreaPerego> ... The issue is when the relevant companies are not in WG, so they miss it.
20:53:14 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: So it seems we need to have our implementation criteria properly described.
20:53:28 <AndreaPerego> plh: Can someone describe on the fly what this will be?
20:54:02 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: The new DCAt extends the original version.  SO the idea is to focus on changes
20:54:48 <DaveBrowning> ... Have started looking at work done with profiling of DCAT 2014 as examples of what we've introduced
20:55:40 <DaveBrowning> ... Other area is catalog platforms e.g. CKAN or existing catalogs for other uses
20:56:13 <DaveBrowning> ... we know that people have been extending DCAT 2014 to address the same needs as we have in DCAT 2
20:56:42 <DaveBrowning> ... so new version addresses the gaps in DCAT 2014
20:57:24 <plh> https://www.w3.org/2019/Process-20190301/#implementation-experience
20:57:31 <DaveBrowning> PWinstanley: There is also discussion in various groups to adopt DCAT 2
20:57:54 <AndreaPerego> ... E.g., within the EU ISA2 programme there is an explicit reference to the new version of DCAT, considering to take into account in future revisions of their vocabularies.
20:58:29 <AndreaPerego> plh: One of the questions is whether you have any independent implementation...
20:58:56 <AndreaPerego> ... Focussing on the changes only is fine.
20:59:52 <AndreaPerego> ... About other documents in the pipeline, as the Verifiable Claims group, they can provide some example on how to formulate the implementation evidence criteria.
21:00:07 <plh> https://www.w3.org/TR/2019/CR-vc-data-model-20190725/
21:00:25 <plh> "The Working Group has received implementation feedback showing that there are at least two implementations for each normative feature in the specification."
21:01:31 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox: If we find features in the spec that do not have 2 implementations, should we remove them, make them non-normative, ...
21:02:08 <AndreaPerego> plh: My advise is to mark them as features at risk. This way you can remove them with publishing a new CR.
21:02:29 <AndreaPerego> ... Otherwise, removing them will be considered a substantive change.
21:02:51 <alejandra> https://www.w3.org/TR/2019/CR-vc-data-model-20190725/#json-web-token
21:02:57 <AndreaPerego> ... The document I pointed you to has a section marked as at risk.
21:03:21 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox: So the spatial and qualified relationships can be marked as at risk.
21:03:54 <SimonCox> perhaps we should mark the Location and QualifiedRelation sections, maybe some of the DataService aspects 'at risk'
21:04:12 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: So, they will be either removed or kept.
21:04:24 <AndreaPerego> plh: They could also be made non-normative.
21:05:16 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox: We should create an issue about marking features at risk.
21:05:22 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: I'll do that.
21:06:48 <AndreaPerego> [meeting adjourned]
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21:30:18 <AndreaPerego> s/This way you can remove them with/This way you can remove them without/
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