IRC log of dxwgdcat on 2019-07-31

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meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference 31 July 2019
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agenda:https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.07.31
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meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference 31 July 2019
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chair: DaveBrowning
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present+
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regrets: Makx
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s/regrets: Makx/regrets+ Makx/
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present+
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present+
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scribenick: AndreaPerego
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present+
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topic: approve agenda
20:10:17 [DaveBrowning]
https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.07.31
20:11:13 [PWinstanley]
q+
20:11:16 [AndreaPerego]
DaveBrowning: That's pretty simple. Any suggests changes / additions?
20:11:27 [DaveBrowning]
ack PWinstanley
20:12:07 [AndreaPerego]
PWinstanley: We could also include the question I made to Philippe - whether or not in non-normative sections we can refer to document which are still draft.
20:12:19 [AndreaPerego]
PLH: Not a problem at all.
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q+
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Minutes of last meeting : https://www.w3.org/2019/07/24-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:13:43 [AndreaPerego]
topic: approve last meeting minutes
20:13:53 [SimonCox]
+1
20:13:56 [DaveBrowning]
+1
20:13:57 [PWinstanley]
+1
20:14:02 [AndreaPerego]
q+
20:14:05 [alejandra]
+1
20:14:33 [AndreaPerego]
+1 modulo add me please
20:14:49 [DaveBrowning]
ack AndreaPerego
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resolved: last meeting minutes approved
20:16:55 [AndreaPerego]
topic: summary for plh
20:17:17 [AndreaPerego]
DaveBrowning: We published a new WD and proactively asked feedback . We got a good amount.
20:17:58 [AndreaPerego]
... We basically incorporated most of the comments.
20:18:49 [AndreaPerego]
... There are still open issues, but they are close to be solved.
20:19:23 [AndreaPerego]
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20:19:39 [AndreaPerego]
present+ plh
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... We can see the end of it, although there is still some work to be done.
20:20:30 [AndreaPerego]
... Some of them are about the .ttl document.
20:20:52 [AndreaPerego]
... So, we should be able to complete the document shortly.
20:21:13 [AndreaPerego]
... We have however 2 questions:
20:21:27 [AndreaPerego]
... (1) mechanics about RDF implementation
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... (2) timing to implementation report.
20:21:41 [PWinstanley]
q+
20:21:47 [DaveBrowning]
ack PWinstanley
20:21:52 [AndreaPerego]
... Any comments / questions?
20:22:13 [AndreaPerego]
PWinstanley: BTW, we had also a poll about moving DCAT to CR.
20:22:39 [AndreaPerego]
... This is settled [12 positive responses out of 12]
20:23:27 [AndreaPerego]
plh: So, it seems there are not substantive changes, only editorial, right?
20:23:32 [AndreaPerego]
DaveBrowning: Yep.
20:23:59 [AndreaPerego]
plh: This then should not block the steps to the director to move to CR.
20:24:27 [AndreaPerego]
... So, you just have to say that you are in the process of addressing all the comments.
20:24:30 [alejandra]
+q
20:24:51 [PWinstanley]
q+
20:24:58 [AndreaPerego]
... Did you get comments from the privacy people?
20:25:06 [DaveBrowning]
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20:25:52 [AndreaPerego]
PWinstanley: I made a presentation to the privacy people, but no substantive feedback.
20:26:06 [AndreaPerego]
plh: So this should be settled.
20:26:56 [AndreaPerego]
PWinstanley: What they said is that if we do a primer, then that could be the place to state privacy issues.
20:27:46 [AndreaPerego]
... So they see privacy issues more in scope in a document about implementation of DCAT rather than in the DCAT spec itself.
20:28:17 [PWinstanley]
s/to state privacy/to re-enforce the message of/
20:28:19 [AndreaPerego]
alejandra: I wonder what may happen in case we get substantive comments while already in the CR process.
20:28:45 [AndreaPerego]
plh: That would be unfortunate. You risk to have a delay up to 30 days.
20:29:07 [AndreaPerego]
... But I suggest you go ahead and you deal with this if this happen.
20:29:18 [alejandra]
ok, thanks
20:29:43 [AndreaPerego]
... Anyway, in such a case, you have to publish a new CR, but you have just to explain what is different.
20:30:11 [AndreaPerego]
... There's also the call for exclusion.
20:30:27 [AndreaPerego]
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20:30:41 [AndreaPerego]
DaveBrowning: So, coming back to our questions...
20:30:49 [DaveBrowning]
topic: rdf files
20:31:10 [PWinstanley]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/881#issuecomment-516859294
20:31:14 [AndreaPerego]
DaveBrowning: The new spec uses the same namespace of the original one.
20:32:09 [AndreaPerego]
... The current namespace page of DCAT points to different serialisations of the 2014 DCAT voc.
20:32:58 [AndreaPerego]
... So, our idea is to add some more links, but we replace the current files with the ones with the new version.
20:33:18 [AndreaPerego]
... We need some guidance on how to do this.
20:33:28 [AndreaPerego]
plh: It is up to you to decide.
20:34:14 [AndreaPerego]
... But we can link only to 1 .ttl file for the namespace URI.
20:34:38 [AndreaPerego]
... You can then use a different URL for the old one.
20:35:06 [AndreaPerego]
SimonCox: Another issue is that the link from DCAT 2014 will point to DCAT 2.
20:37:47 [AndreaPerego]
AndreaPerego: I am not aware of DCAT implementations which owl:import the vocabulary, but there may be.
20:38:18 [AndreaPerego]
... I wonder whether, plh, if W3C is thinking about version URLs for vocabularies as done for specs.
20:38:50 [AndreaPerego]
plh: The person you could ask is ?? so you can ask feedback on what you want to do.
20:39:03 [AndreaPerego]
... Is this a blocking issue?
20:39:11 [DaveBrowning]
s/??/Ralph Swick/
20:39:26 [AndreaPerego]
DaveBrowning: I don't think so, as it is not normative.
20:39:45 [AndreaPerego]
plh: So you can go ahead, while asking feedback to Ralph.
20:40:10 [AndreaPerego]
action: DaveBrowning to contact Ralph Swick about guidance on vocabulary versioning
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Created ACTION-354 - Contact ralph swick about guidance on vocabulary versioning [on David Browning - due 2019-08-07].
20:40:35 [AndreaPerego]
DaveBrowning: Then if everyone is happy we can move to the next agenda item
20:40:44 [AndreaPerego]
topic: implementation report
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DaveBrowning: We would like to check what we have to do, also considering we are in August.
20:42:01 [AndreaPerego]
plh: What you need to do for CR is to explain what we want to demonstrate.
20:42:26 [AndreaPerego]
... This may start a negotiation.
20:43:40 [AndreaPerego]
... Depending on whether you have or not implementation evidence at the time of transition to CR, you can already move to the next step.
20:44:11 [AndreaPerego]
plh: Do you want me to send everyone the template to be filled in?
20:44:18 [AndreaPerego]
PWinstanley: Yes, please.
20:44:50 [AndreaPerego]
plh: So after your request, the director will take 7 days for publishing the CR.
20:45:51 [AndreaPerego]
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20:46:38 [AndreaPerego]
... It is also possible to make some editorial changes before going out.
20:46:59 [AndreaPerego]
... Any substantive changes will require publishing a new CR.
20:47:32 [AndreaPerego]
... BTW, we want to be sure you are not touching any patent.
20:48:15 [AndreaPerego]
... Noting also the that notion of "substantive" may be subjective.
20:48:22 [PWinstanley]
q+ can we get a legal read-through (to cover most of the patent concern)?
20:48:36 [PWinstanley]
can we get a legal read-through (to cover most of the patent concern)?
20:48:58 [PWinstanley]
q+ to ask can we get a legal read-through (to cover most of the patent concern)?
20:49:17 [AndreaPerego]
s/can we get a legal read-through (to cover most of the patent concern)?//
20:49:24 [DaveBrowning]
q?
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ack PWinstanley
20:49:48 [Zakim]
PWinstanley, you wanted to ask can we get a legal read-through (to cover most of the patent concern)?
20:49:53 [AndreaPerego]
plh: About substantive comments coming in during CR, this is not so frequent.
20:50:30 [AndreaPerego]
PWinstanley: Can anyone at W3C have a check to see if anything in DCAT may trigger licences?
20:50:38 [AndreaPerego]
plh: Absolutely not.
20:51:52 [AndreaPerego]
... About legal issues, this happens some times, but we address this with the calls for exclusions.
20:52:18 [AndreaPerego]
... The issue is when the relevant companies are not in WG, so they miss it.
20:53:14 [AndreaPerego]
DaveBrowning: So it seems we need to have our implementation criteria properly described.
20:53:28 [AndreaPerego]
plh: Can someone describe on the fly what this will be?
20:54:02 [DaveBrowning]
AndreaPerego: The new DCAt extends the original version. SO the idea is to focus on changes
20:54:48 [DaveBrowning]
... Have started looking at work done with profiling of DCAT 2014 as examples of what we've introduced
20:55:40 [DaveBrowning]
... Other area is catalog platforms e.g. CKAN or existing catalogs for other uses
20:56:13 [DaveBrowning]
... we know that people have been extending DCAT 2014 to address the same needs as we have in DCAT 2
20:56:42 [DaveBrowning]
... so new version addresses the gaps in DCAT 2014
20:57:24 [plh]
https://www.w3.org/2019/Process-20190301/#implementation-experience
20:57:31 [DaveBrowning]
PWinstanley: There is also discussion in various groups to adopt DCAT 2
20:57:54 [AndreaPerego]
... E.g., within the EU ISA2 programme there is an explicit reference to the new version of DCAT, considering to take into account in future revisions of their vocabularies.
20:58:29 [AndreaPerego]
plh: One of the questions is whether you have any independent implementation...
20:58:56 [AndreaPerego]
... Focussing on the changes only is fine.
20:59:52 [AndreaPerego]
... About other documents in the pipeline, as the Verifiable Claims group, they can provide some example on how to formulate the implementation evidence criteria.
21:00:07 [plh]
https://www.w3.org/TR/2019/CR-vc-data-model-20190725/
21:00:25 [plh]
"The Working Group has received implementation feedback showing that there are at least two implementations for each normative feature in the specification."
21:01:31 [AndreaPerego]
SimonCox: If we find features in the spec that do not have 2 implementations, should we remove them, make them non-normative, ...
21:02:08 [AndreaPerego]
plh: My advise is to mark them as features at risk. This way you can remove them with publishing a new CR.
21:02:29 [AndreaPerego]
... Otherwise, removing them will be considered a substantive change.
21:02:51 [alejandra]
https://www.w3.org/TR/2019/CR-vc-data-model-20190725/#json-web-token
21:02:57 [AndreaPerego]
... The document I pointed you to has a section marked as at risk.
21:03:21 [AndreaPerego]
SimonCox: So the spatial and qualified relationships can be marked as at risk.
21:03:54 [SimonCox]
perhaps we should mark the Location and QualifiedRelation sections, maybe some of the DataService aspects 'at risk'
21:04:12 [AndreaPerego]
DaveBrowning: So, they will be either removed or kept.
21:04:24 [AndreaPerego]
plh: They could also be made non-normative.
21:05:16 [AndreaPerego]
SimonCox: We should create an issue about marking features at risk.
21:05:22 [AndreaPerego]
DaveBrowning: I'll do that.
21:06:48 [AndreaPerego]
[meeting adjourned]
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