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20:48:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
20:48:18 <trackbot> Date: 20 March 2019
20:49:00 <DaveBrowning> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference 20 March 2019 21:00 UTC
20:49:55 <DaveBrowning> regrets: Alasdair Gray, Erik Mannens, Thomas D'Haenens, Lars Svensson, Makx, Alejandra
20:50:36 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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20:51:26 <DaveBrowning> chair: DaveBrowning
20:51:30 <DaveBrowning> present+
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21:06:42 <DaveBrowning> regrets- Makx
21:06:46 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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21:06:55 <PWinstanley> present+
21:06:59 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+
21:06:59 <AndreaPerego> present+
21:07:13 <PWinstanley> Meeting: DXWG DCAT meeting
21:07:29 <DaveBrowning> √
21:07:44 <DaveBrowning> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference 20 March 2019 21:00 UTC
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21:08:14 <Makx> presnt+
21:08:21 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:08:23 <SimonCox> present+
21:08:28 <Makx> present+
21:08:36 <AndreaPerego> s/presnt+//
21:08:46 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:09:05 <DaveBrowning> topic: approve agenda
21:09:16 <PWinstanley> scribe: PWinstanley
21:09:20 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.03.20
21:09:21 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:09:25 <SimonCox> +1
21:09:31 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:10:58 <SimonCox> q+
21:11:03 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: there is a modified process for the PRs :  https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.03.19
21:11:25 <PWinstanley> ... so we need to focus in the light of the process
21:11:28 <DaveBrowning> ack SimonCox
21:12:10 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: interested in understanding the motivation and I will find it difficult to think of the role of editor
21:13:16 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: agenda agreed, can we approve minutes of last meeting
21:13:20 <DaveBrowning> topic: minutes of last meeting
21:13:20 <Makx> +1
21:13:28 <PWinstanley> proposed: agree minutes of last meeting
21:13:29 <PWinstanley> +
21:13:29 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:13:33 <SimonCox> +1 (some nuances of discussion got looost, but the conclussions are all correct)
21:13:33 <PWinstanley> +1
21:13:34 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:13:44 <SimonCox> s/looost/lostt/
21:13:58 <SimonCox> s/lostt/lost/
21:14:10 <AndreaPerego> s/conclussions/conclusions/
21:14:11 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:14:13 <PWinstanley> resolved: agree minutes of last meeting
21:14:19 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:14:40 <PWinstanley> topic: item 3 -
21:14:48 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:15:03 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:15:34 <DaveBrowning> SCRIBE: DaveBrowning
21:16:09 <DaveBrowning> PWinstanley: Change to process to follow advice from Philippe LH
21:16:23 <DaveBrowning> ... explicit 'nod' from plenary
21:16:24 <SimonCox> q+ to ask if other groups have as many (i) PRs and issues (ii) contributors?
21:16:46 <DaveBrowning> ... want to make sure plenary is fully involved
21:17:16 <SimonCox> q+ to ask if 'tag team' has been a problem in DCAT-rev?
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21:17:44 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present+
21:17:51 <DaveBrowning> ... want to be extra careful as we approach CR etc
21:18:35 <DaveBrowning> ... maximum number of eyes' also good governance/team particiapation
21:18:43 <SimonCox> q+ to point out that plenaries will need to be much more efficient to allow timely outcomes
21:19:12 <DaveBrowning> ...  challenge is that it has to apply to github repo
21:19:21 <SimonCox> q+ to ask isn't it way too late in the process to intoduce such a big  change?
21:19:43 <DaveBrowning> ... so it applies to all DXWG work.  Chairs acknowledge that it will present some challenge
21:19:57 <DaveBrowning> q?
21:20:29 <DaveBrowning> ack SimonCox
21:20:29 <Zakim> SimonCox, you wanted to ask if other groups have as many (i) PRs and issues (ii) contributors? and to ask if 'tag team' has been a problem in DCAT-rev? and to point out that
21:20:32 <Zakim> ... plenaries will need to be much more efficient to allow timely outcomes and to ask isn't it way too late in the process to intoduce such a big  change?
21:22:33 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/intoduce/introduce
21:22:48 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: Difficult to believe plenary can handle the bandwidth of chain
21:23:24 <DaveBrowning> PWinstanley: Use process that is used for minutes (ie simple vote)
21:23:55 <SimonCox> Plenary approval is not a 'wee' gate ... it is a narrow bottleneck
21:23:58 <DaveBrowning> ... dont' expect much (or any) discussion
21:24:05 <DaveBrowning> q+
21:24:44 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: I have many of the same concerns as SimonCox  and I know that we were giving it a shot, but I'm wanting to see what we can do to make this work
21:26:24 <PWinstanley> ... in the timing that we have with this project, if we have to have a PR ready 24h before the meeting, then we need to have things ready earlier than we usually do
21:27:14 <PWinstanley> ... Also, there are concerns about merges not being consistent.  It feels that we need a separate thread to examine practicality
21:27:14 <DaveBrowning> ack PWinstanley
21:27:18 <DaveBrowning> ack DaveBrowning
21:27:42 <PWinstanley> ... and I think we need to sort out how this group can move forward.
21:28:05 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: I agree.  we might not get the CR out on time
21:28:34 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: Some editorial PRs need to be done serially
21:28:54 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:29:10 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:29:46 <DaveBrowning> scribe: PWinstanley
21:30:01 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: I think that we can ease the situation by collecting all the contributions and the group can have the last word on the final merge
21:30:10 <PWinstanley> q+
21:30:45 <PWinstanley> q-
21:31:02 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: we could have a shadow branch and merge into that
21:32:48 <DaveBrowning> PWinstanley: That approach might be useful - especially for editorial changes
21:32:53 <DaveBrowning> q?
21:33:13 <Makx> q+
21:33:33 <DaveBrowning> q?
21:33:51 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: What is the role of the editor in this
21:36:00 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: This process seems to supplant what the editor had responsibility for
21:36:33 <DaveBrowning> ack Makx
21:40:35 <DaveBrowning> topic: DCAT CR
21:40:51 <DaveBrowning> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/14
21:40:51 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: the DCAT CR is defined  at
21:42:02 <PWinstanley> ... from last week we agreed to have a CR with all the things we thought we needed.  I've taken 2 approaches - the stuff we need is in milestone 14, and also I've included things that are active and which I think can be closed quite quickly
21:42:19 <PWinstanley> ... some things tagged as 'critical' absolutely have to be done
21:43:12 <PWinstanley> ... e.g. issue #377 involved working links across the document, and anew namespace.  we also need privacy and security sections
21:43:47 <PWinstanley> ... I am happy if people add issues that they think are critical defects that need to be addressed.
21:44:23 <riccardoAlbertoni>  I would put "remove DataDistributionService" as critical
21:44:27 <PWinstanley> ... we now have the opportunity to look at the work and quickly triage them.  The critical ones need to be identified
21:44:50 <PWinstanley> ... esp the DataDistributionService needs to be removed
21:45:07 <PWinstanley> ... I need others to check through
21:45:37 <riccardoAlbertoni> thanks a lot simon !
21:46:34 <SimonCox> s/PPR/PR/
21:47:55 <riccardoAlbertoni> perhaps we can mark it critical and "duetoclose"
21:48:50 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: so #789 is twice reviewed and is ready for merging
21:49:28 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: I think it is important  that this group is happy about the content of this milestone
21:50:14 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:50:24 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:51:10 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: I think we should label the critical ones - they need to be done, and the others retained in the backlog
21:51:37 <Makx> q+
21:52:04 <DaveBrowning> q?
21:52:09 <DaveBrowning> ack Makx
21:53:08 <PWinstanley> Makx: I've looked at them , there are many where the discussion has reached conclusion.  Those are on the list for endorsement.  If there are other critical ones then they need to be done.  Any for which discussion is still required and which are not critical need to be left for the next version
21:54:04 <PWinstanley> ... we need to have a 3 category sorting
21:57:49 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/820
21:58:05 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: do people think that they can find time in the next day or so to look at the milestone and ensure that they are happy with the labelling of 'critical' items.  We need to identify items that might be critical and prevent us from going to PR
21:58:35 <PWinstanley> ... There is a difference between improvements of style and corrections of critical errors
21:58:38 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:58:48 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:59:09 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: can you clarify the issues you're referring to?
21:59:31 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: issue 807
22:00:07 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: I think these are new features - so I guess these are for version 1.2
22:00:30 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: I have moved to the backlog milestone so that we don't loose it
22:02:13 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: there are a series of PR chains that still need to be done
22:02:48 <PWinstanley> ... please can people have a look and ensure that we have captured everything in the milestone that we are wanting to achieve
22:02:55 <Makx> +1
22:02:58 <PWinstanley> +1
22:03:00 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
22:03:27 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: any other business?
22:04:12 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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22:04:15 <PWinstanley> Jaroslav_Pullmann: weeks ago I did some work on versioning - has it been closed?
22:04:57 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: in the interim there has been a major push to have a PR by the end of the month.  the versioning stuff will be held over to 1.2
22:05:42 <PWinstanley> ... There are aspects of procedure (evergreen standards, etc) that will ensure that your work does not get lost
22:05:49 <SimonCox> bye
22:05:58 <AndreaPerego> q+
22:07:15 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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22:08:01 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
22:08:46 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: same question as Jaroslav_Pullmann .  My concern is that I'm happy to keep hold of issues that I think are important to be included provided that they will be included in a short timeframe
22:10:02 <PWinstanley> ... I am still unclear about the procedures and also the type of commitment that people are able to devote to this work.  If people leave we will be understaffed.  If this happens then I would like an extension
22:10:43 <PWinstanley> ... we need some stronger steer from W3C about the process and the next steps.  The risk is that we do work that comes to nothing
22:13:08 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: there needs to be some coherent explanation as to how we are moving forward
22:15:18 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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22:15:21 <Makx> ok thx bye
22:15:27 <riccardoAlbertoni> bye!!
22:15:57 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> thanks!
22:16:04 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
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