IRC log of dxwg on 2019-01-08

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chair: PWinstanley
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regrets+ DaveBrowning (travel dependent), Ixchel Faniel, LarsG, Makx, riccardoAlbertoni, Antoine
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20:56:32 [kcoyle]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Profimes-Ont-&-Conneg-RFQ-emails
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21:00:40 [PWinstanley]
present+
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present+
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21:04:55 [annette_g]
present+
21:05:26 [kcoyle]
present+
21:05:52 [ncar]
Sorry can't scribe today
21:06:57 [alejandra]
present+
21:07:27 [dsr]
scribenick: dsr
21:07:47 [PWinstanley]
Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.01.08
21:08:17 [kcoyle]
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topic:admin
21:08:37 [dsr]
Couple of minutes to approve …
21:08:37 [PWinstanley]
minutes: https://www.w3.org/2018/12/18-dxwg-minutes
21:08:53 [PWinstanley]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Dec/0179.html
21:09:06 [kcoyle]
q+
21:09:12 [PWinstanley]
ack kcoyle
21:09:46 [kcoyle]
kcoyle: no decisions from the last meeting, too few members
21:09:53 [alejandra]
for 20181218 minutes, I was absent (I was late and when I joined the meeting had finished, so sent late apologies)
21:10:05 [kcoyle]
resolved: accept minutes of Decmber 12
21:10:47 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: do we need 5th f2f, and where? when?
21:10:47 [AndreaPerego]
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21:11:07 [kcoyle]
... march or june, alongside meetings
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... any others?
21:11:18 [ncar]
q+
21:11:21 [kcoyle]
... any comments?
21:11:24 [AndreaPerego]
present+
21:11:24 [PWinstanley]
ack ncar
21:11:28 [alejandra]
+q
21:11:42 [kcoyle]
ncar: I will be in Slovenia, but unlikely in Germany
21:11:52 [PWinstanley]
ack alejandra
21:11:57 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: yes, that's why that is a good proposal
21:12:13 [kcoyle]
alejandra: not sure I have funding to attend either
21:12:38 [AndreaPerego]
I'm also unsure whether I'll be able to attend either.
21:12:54 [annette_g]
I have zero funding for travel lately :(
21:13:05 [ncar]
q+
21:13:08 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: not thinking of location, but what about 5th f2f in general? do we need it?
21:13:10 [PWinstanley]
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21:13:33 [AndreaPerego]
I think it's needed.
21:13:40 [antoine]
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21:13:44 [AndreaPerego]
meeting: DXWG plenary
21:14:00 [kcoyle]
ncar: would be useful to have before end for an overview of all; how they relate to each other
21:14:07 [AndreaPerego]
agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.01.08
21:14:10 [antoine]
present+ antoine
21:14:14 [AndreaPerego]
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21:14:18 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: both coordination and the idea of creating primers
21:14:39 [kcoyle]
ncar: yes, this could be outlined quickly in a group
21:14:47 [kcoyle]
q+
21:14:52 [PWinstanley]
ack kcoyle
21:15:18 [PWinstanley]
kcoyle: given how little we have done on the guidance doc, we should be thinking about a f2f related to that ... earlier than june
21:15:36 [kcoyle]
kcoyle: f2f relating to guidance document, which is not very far along
21:15:46 [kcoyle]
... that would be best earlier than June
21:16:22 [kcoyle]
antoine: would be great if very cheap or free
21:16:35 [alejandra]
are you proposing to organise it locally? ;-)
21:16:36 [AndreaPerego]
Makes sense to me.
21:17:07 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: other option is to do a virtual f2f - have long virtual connectedness
21:17:16 [antoine]
q+
21:17:18 [ncar]
I could do virtual F2F, any time day or night
21:17:21 [PWinstanley]
ack antoine
21:17:23 [kcoyle]
... gets around the money and travel question
21:17:37 [kcoyle]
antoine: perhaps we could try a few half day meetings?
21:17:56 [AndreaPerego]
q+
21:18:01 [PWinstanley]
ack AndreaPerego
21:18:33 [kcoyle]
AndreaPerego: would also be in favor of virtual f2f; but need to have a very clear agenda, a list of issues for decisions
21:18:46 [kcoyle]
... remote is different from an actual f2f
21:19:49 [AndreaPerego]
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21:19:57 [kcoyle]
topic: Open Action Items
21:20:03 [PWinstanley]
https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
21:20:36 [ncar]
q+
21:20:40 [antoine]
mine continues
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ack ncar
21:20:54 [antoine]
q+
21:20:56 [AndreaPerego]
#242 is yet to be done.
21:20:56 [kcoyle]
ncar: what is 244?
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antoine: aligning different diagrams around the f2f in Genoa, and we discussed again in Lyon
21:21:58 [kcoyle]
... trying to interpret what is going on with the profile discussion and to reconcile
21:22:23 [kcoyle]
... still to be done
21:23:04 [kcoyle]
... and will want ncar input, especially based on the paper being prepared
21:23:47 [kcoyle]
ncar: there are some issues that have appeared, but there are also changes that are coming from the paper and those will be integrated in the next week
21:24:22 [AndreaPerego]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/265
21:25:02 [ncar]
q+
21:25:04 [kcoyle]
AndreaPerego: relates to a github issue 265; rewording of requirement relating to association of data and metadata; don't exactly remember which output this relates to
21:25:07 [PWinstanley]
ack ncar
21:25:31 [antoine]
q+
21:25:46 [antoine]
q-
21:25:53 [kcoyle]
ncar: may not be needed for profile negotiation document; probably more on profile guidance
21:26:45 [AndreaPerego]
Just associated action-242 with profile-guidance.
21:26:49 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: action 265 is on everyone to review the UCR
21:27:23 [antoine]
q+
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ack antoine
21:28:02 [kcoyle]
antoine: may be worth doing another review of UCR because we didn't get much feed back
21:28:11 [kcoyle]
... maybe Nick can resend
21:28:44 [kcoyle]
topic: Prof Neg and Prof Ontology publications
21:28:46 [AndreaPerego]
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21:29:24 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: decided at dec 18 plenary to organize comments starting January
21:29:46 [ncar]
q+
21:29:49 [alejandra]
+q
21:29:55 [kcoyle]
... what opportunities will people have to discuss this at meetings?
21:29:55 [PWinstanley]
ack ncar
21:30:23 [kcoyle]
ncar: Australian Gov't working group chairs meeting will discuss this because plan to use these
21:30:40 [kcoyle]
... OGC Geosemantics domain wg coming up
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... also Aust/NZ profiles md working group
21:31:12 [kcoyle]
... have sent out about 15 notifications to Australian sources
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PWinstanley: videos and blog posts helpful
21:31:51 [kcoyle]
... need to give people a deadline
21:32:17 [kcoyle]
... what are some realistic dates? give folks a 3-4 week deadline
21:32:44 [kcoyle]
... try to get responses to public working list
21:32:53 [PWinstanley]
ack alejandra
21:33:24 [alejandra]
http://software.ac.uk/
21:33:35 [AndreaPerego]
q+ to mention mail from ODRL CG on DXWG Profiles
21:33:39 [kcoyle]
alejandra: I'm writing a blog post because funding for f2f in Lyon is based on that; will send a draft and then it will be published at software.ac.uk web site
21:33:42 [PWinstanley]
ack AndreaPerego
21:33:42 [Zakim]
AndreaPerego, you wanted to mention mail from ODRL CG on DXWG Profiles
21:34:01 [AndreaPerego]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-odrl/2019Jan/0000.html
21:34:48 [kcoyle]
AndreaPerego: has been posted to ODRL working group mailing list
21:34:56 [antoine]
q+
21:35:04 [kcoyle]
... can they be reviewers?
21:35:47 [kcoyle]
ncar: was picked up from W3C notification on home page; we should probably contact other W3C groups
21:35:52 [PWinstanley]
ack antoine
21:36:27 [kcoyle]
antoine: names others to be contacted re:ODRL and ProfOnt
21:36:59 [antoine]
s/others/Michael Steidl
21:37:13 [AndreaPerego]
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21:37:15 [kcoyle]
topic: UCR
21:38:41 [kcoyle]
antoine: Jaro has been checking and fixing links; need to check the Europeana links; after that should be close to ready
21:38:53 [AndreaPerego]
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21:39:00 [kcoyle]
topic: profile guidance
21:39:33 [PWinstanley]
kcoyle: I updated the doc incorporating the requirements to style like the UCR, but no writing done yet
21:39:36 [antoine]
q+
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21:40:14 [kcoyle]
antoine: this is a major improvement; for fpwd we can fill in some text in sections but not all of them
21:40:35 [kcoyle]
topic: DCAT-Rev
21:41:06 [kcoyle]
alejandra: the editor's draft has some changes; we decided not to release in December but may do on in January
21:41:21 [kcoyle]
... everyone should look at editor's draft and make comments
21:41:50 [kcoyle]
... additions related to licenses and rights; quality information; description of qualified relationships
21:42:15 [alejandra]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/14
21:42:44 [kcoyle]
... milestone - focus for immediate work, could be 3rd WD; many are editorial but others are in a closing state
21:42:48 [alejandra]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/15
21:43:06 [kcoyle]
... other milestone aligns other issues; there are issues that may not be addressed by end of WG
21:43:17 [kcoyle]
... asking group for priorities
21:43:51 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: how do they feel about increasing rate of publication?
21:44:46 [kcoyle]
alejandra: everyone agrees; however, needs to go through this group for approval; therefore need the time for the plenary to review
21:45:18 [AndreaPerego]
q+ to propose we do the same as DCAT for PROF
21:45:23 [PWinstanley]
ack AndreaPerego
21:45:23 [Zakim]
AndreaPerego, you wanted to propose we do the same as DCAT for PROF
21:46:11 [kcoyle]
AndreaPerego: can we adopt same schedule for prof ontology? there are some things that have come to light while working on paper
21:46:32 [kcoyle]
... can we focus on these for a new release?
21:46:35 [alejandra]
+1 to creating a mileston for PROF
21:46:37 [antoine]
q+
21:46:43 [alejandra]
s/mileston/milestone
21:46:48 [PWinstanley]
ack antoine
21:46:50 [kcoyle]
... question of whether we need basePRofile?
21:47:13 [ncar]
q+
21:47:17 [PWinstanley]
ack ncar
21:47:20 [kcoyle]
antoine: +1, I also have some notes that include AndreaPerego's issues, will put them in github in the next few days
21:47:57 [kcoyle]
ncar: looks fine, it's a matter of doing it; chunks of the paper that could be included in PWD
21:48:19 [AndreaPerego]
s/basePRofile/prof:BaseSpecification/
21:48:22 [kcoyle]
... some things are changes/issues and we can tag them for the next WD
21:48:37 [kcoyle]
... there are uncontroversial ones
21:48:38 [AndreaPerego]
Thanks, ncar
21:49:17 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: Anything else for today?
21:49:49 [alejandra]
+q
21:49:52 [kcoyle]
ncar: Clear who to send profile ontology WD to; less clear for conneg; need help to get that out
21:50:36 [AndreaPerego]
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21:50:38 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: yes, agree. Blog posts, etc. reach a larger audience
21:51:41 [PWinstanley]
ack alejandra
21:52:25 [AndreaPerego]
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21:52:35 [ncar]
same document in use for all contacts (read only link): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_f5CAZv7rgUjJH5YXkmD6w5xS6GX5X2AmEp_LMptAfQ/edit?usp=sharing
21:53:01 [alejandra]
thanks, and bye all!
21:53:24 [dsr]
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