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<scribe> scribe: nigel
Nigel: Today, our agenda has TPAC
F2F for next week, TTML Profile Registry,
... and proposing that we request transition to Rec of TTML1
3rd Ed, TTML2 and IMSC 1.1.
... I'd like to check if there's any review response of the CSS
email also.
... Any specific points to raise or other business?
Andreas: Not from my side.
Glenn: Negative!
Pierre: Only got a couple of
minutes
... Re the CSS Text Level 4 changes, no comment - it's hard for
me to understand but good that it's there.
... Maybe with a greater understanding of CSS it makes more
sense.
Nigel: I've reviewed the open
pull requests to prepare Rec versions, I think they're
all
... approved now.
... I had one query about the list of contributing authors on
TTML1 3rd Ed but aside from
... that there are no substantive changes.
... As mentioned last week, I propose that we begin the
decision review period on a resolution
... to request transition to Rec of TTML1 3rd Ed, TTML2 and
IMSC 1.1 today.
... This would be based on those repo branches that contain the
prepared versions.
... Thank you to the Editors for creating those.
... Any objection to requesting transition?
group: [silence]
Nigel: Our timeline shows I have to send the WG Resolution on 2nd Nov.
PROPOSAL: Request transition of
TTML1 3rd Ed to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
... Request transition of TTML2 to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
... Request transition of IMSC1.1 to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
Nigel: Any objections to making those Resolutions?
group: [silence]
RESOLUTION: Request transition of TTML1 3rd Ed to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
<inserted> .
RESOLUTION: Request transition of TTML2 to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
<inserted> .
RESOLUTION: Request transition of IMSC1.1 to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
Nigel: Thank you!
... Looking at the AC review there are no objections, and 11
organisations have responded.
Glenn: You might want to point
out the change request on the wiki, which drove a
... number of the changes. Terence Eden is probably not aware
of it and we didn't refer
... to it.
Nigel: I got the sense that he
thinks it is good practice to motivate the changes, and
we
... have not done that.
... I am happy to check that with him though.
Glenn: It would certainly help for people reviewing from the outside in, you know.
Nigel: Agreed.
Nigel: Looking at the TTML1 list
of Contributing Authors, I think it needs some
... adjustment. I think I should be added, and Andreas's status
is no longer Invited Expert.
Glenn: I think we should update
it as you mention to add yourself and update Andreas
... as a minimum.
Pierre: No opinion
Glenn: Pierre, can you handle that update?
Pierre: Sure.
... Can people be listed in Editors as well as Contributing
Authors?
Glenn: I did that in TTML2
Nigel: No objection from me
Pierre: If you can open an issue for it that would be helpful, or make a comment on the PR
Nigel: I can do that
Pierre: It would be useful to say the list should match TTML2
Nigel: Yes, that's fine.
... I will update the pull request comment
... Any other comments on the Rec preparation pull
requests?
group: [no other comments]
Nigel: I've opened some pull
requests but there are some issues remaining without
... proposals.
Pierre: My understanding is Mike wanted to be involved but cannot be until after TPAC.
Nigel: That's right.
Pierre: I haven't done anything because Mike seemed interested in doing it.
Nigel: We have a scheduling issue
- if we want to publish on 13th Nov then we need to
... complete it on October 30th. I have mentioned that to
Mike.
Glenn: We can publish the Note later.
Nigel: Yes, I was thinking that
from an external perspective it makes sense to
synchronise
... its publication with the Rec publications.
... Our decision policy does apply.
Pierre: I think we should make sure Mike is informed of what we're planning.
Nigel: I think I already did, but if it's not clear then we can make it so.
Pierre: I thought it was not clear.
Nigel: Can we agree to target 13th November for publication of an update?
Pierre: If its available 2 weeks
later and Mike is happy then it's a better outcome. If
he's
... happy for us to proceed and make Nov 13th then I'm equally
happy with that.
Glenn: I don't have a strong
position either way. I have no problem deferring to let
Mike
... get involved and in some ways would prefer that.
Andreas: No opinions
Nigel: It seems to be me who has
the strongest view, and I also would like Mike to be
... able to participate and be happy with the outcome.
... The key thing is there doesn't seem to be a strong group
motivation for publishing
... on the same date as the Recs, so we can take a little
longer.
... I will contact Mike and let him know.
... Moving on,
... The EBU-TT Metadata proposal is in pull request #50. Unless
anyone has any comments
... now then I propose that we review this in our f2f meeting
next week.
Pierre: I've not had time to review, maybe tell us the general idea.
Nigel: I made a proposal based on
Cyril's suggestion, which involved adding both a
... normative statement about the origination of the ebuttm:
namespace and the elements
... we refer to within that namespace, and an informative note
describing the applicability
... of the EBU-TT Metadata specification, which was drawn from
the abstract and scope
... of that document. However my concern is that I don't think
that text is ideal. So I'd
... appreciate reviews.
... I took text from the specification to be non-contentious
but the result somehow
... doesn't hit the spot.
Pierre: Thanks for that, I will
review it.
... I have to drop off the call now. [drops off the call]
Nigel: Thanks.
... There's one other thing to add, which is that specref isn't
up to date for the EBU
... specifications so I've added local bibliography entries in
the pull request and will also
... make a pull request on specref to add them there; assuming
that works, I can remove
... the local entries from this pull request.
... I'm mid-flight in preparing the specref pull request right
now.
Nigel: There's been some
discussion of the agenda for the M&E IG joint meeting, and
no
... more on our meeting.
... As per the discussion above I will add TTML Profile
Registry pull request reviews to
... the agenda for our meeting.
... Any queries or comments for our TPAC agenda or our joint
meeting agenda?
group: [no]
Nigel: We'll finalise the agenda
on Monday morning in any case.
... One thing to note - our meeting on Monday begins 0830 and I
hope to be there from
... the beginning.
... Please try to be punctual so we can maximise the use of our
time.
... I have also sent Webex joining details to the member-tt
reflector for anyone wanting
... to join remotely, and we have a Polycom phone available in
the room.
Nigel: We've completed our
agenda, so thank you everyone. See you on Monday, those
... at the F2F, good travels. [adjourns meeting]