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14:01:21 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:01:21 <trackbot> Date: 18 October 2018
14:01:24 <nigel> Log: https://www.w3.org/2018/10/18-tt-irc
14:01:27 <nigel> scribe: nigel
14:01:50 <nigel> Present: Andreas, Glenn, Nigel
14:02:09 <nigel> Regrets: Cyril
14:02:11 <nigel> Chair: Nigel
14:03:22 <nigel> Topic: This meeting
14:03:53 <nigel> Nigel: Today, our agenda has TPAC F2F for next week, TTML Profile Registry,
14:04:15 <nigel> .. and proposing that we request transition to Rec of TTML1 3rd Ed, TTML2 and IMSC 1.1.
14:04:30 <nigel> .. I'd like to check if there's any review response of the CSS email also.
14:04:53 <nigel> .. Any specific points to raise or other business?
14:04:57 <nigel> Andreas: Not from my side.
14:05:30 <nigel> Glenn: Negative!
14:05:43 <nigel> Present+ Pierre
14:05:59 <nigel> Pierre: Only got a couple of minutes
14:06:45 <nigel> .. Re the CSS Text Level 4 changes, no comment - it's hard for me to understand but good that it's there.
14:06:56 <nigel> .. Maybe with a greater understanding of CSS it makes more sense.
14:07:19 <nigel> Topic: Transition requests
14:07:32 <nigel> Nigel: I've reviewed the open pull requests to prepare Rec versions, I think they're all
14:07:34 <nigel> .. approved now.
14:07:51 <nigel> .. I had one query about the list of contributing authors on TTML1 3rd Ed but aside from
14:07:55 <nigel> .. that there are no substantive changes.
14:08:21 <nigel> .. As mentioned last week, I propose that we begin the decision review period on a resolution
14:08:35 <nigel> .. to request transition to Rec of TTML1 3rd Ed, TTML2 and IMSC 1.1 today.
14:08:55 <nigel> .. This would be based on those repo branches that contain the prepared versions.
14:09:02 <nigel> .. Thank you to the Editors for creating those.
14:09:18 <nigel> .. Any objection to requesting transition?
14:10:02 <nigel> group: [silence]
14:10:16 <nigel> Nigel: Our timeline shows I have to send the WG Resolution on 2nd Nov.
14:10:53 <nigel> PROPOSAL: Request transition of TTML1 3rd Ed to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
14:10:58 <nigel> PROPOSAL: Request transition of TTML2 to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
14:11:03 <nigel> PROPOSAL: Request transition of IMSC1.1 to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
14:11:11 <nigel> Nigel: Any objections to making those Resolutions?
14:11:22 <nigel> group: [silence]
14:11:34 <nigel> RESOLUTION: Request transition of TTML1 3rd Ed to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
14:11:42 <nigel> RESOLUTION: Request transition of TTML2 to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
14:11:49 <nigel> RESOLUTION: Request transition of IMSC1.1 to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
14:11:54 <nigel> Nigel: Thank you!
14:12:13 <nigel> .. Looking at the AC review there are no objections, and 11 organisations have responded.
14:12:27 <nigel> Glenn: You might want to point out the change request on the wiki, which drove a
14:12:41 <nigel> .. number of the changes. Terence Eden is probably not aware of it and we didn't refer
14:13:16 <nigel> .. to it.
14:13:28 <nigel> Nigel: I got the sense that he thinks it is good practice to motivate the changes, and we
14:13:30 <nigel> .. have not done that.
14:13:40 <nigel> .. I am happy to check that with him though.
14:13:50 <nigel> Glenn: It would certainly help for people reviewing from the outside in, you know.
14:13:52 <nigel> Nigel: Agreed.
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14:16:31 <nigel> Topic: TTML1 Contributing Authors
14:16:50 <nigel> Nigel: Looking at the TTML1 list of Contributing Authors, I think it needs some
14:17:02 <nigel> .. adjustment. I think I should be added, and Andreas's status is no longer Invited Expert.
14:17:14 <nigel> Glenn: I think we should update it as you mention to add yourself and update Andreas
14:17:16 <nigel> .. as a minimum.
14:17:21 <nigel> Pierre: No opinion
14:17:29 <nigel> Glenn: Pierre, can you handle that update?
14:17:33 <nigel> Pierre: Sure.
14:18:01 <nigel> .. Can people be listed in Editors as well as Contributing Authors?
14:18:05 <nigel> Glenn: I did that in TTML2
14:18:26 <nigel> Nigel: No objection from me
14:18:57 <nigel> Pierre: If you can open an issue for it that would be helpful, or make a comment on the PR
14:19:01 <nigel> Nigel: I can do that
14:19:10 <nigel> Pierre: It would be useful to say the list should match TTML2
14:19:22 <nigel> Nigel: Yes, that's fine.
14:19:29 <nigel> .. I will update the pull request comment
14:19:54 <nigel> Nigel: Any other comments on the Rec preparation pull requests?
14:20:00 <nigel> group: [no other comments]
14:20:26 <nigel> Topic: TTML Profile Registry
14:20:49 <nigel> Nigel: I've opened some pull requests but there are some issues remaining without
14:20:51 <nigel> .. proposals.
14:21:13 <nigel> Pierre: My understanding is Mike wanted to be involved but cannot be until after TPAC.
14:21:16 <nigel> Nigel: That's right.
14:21:25 <nigel> Pierre: I haven't done anything because Mike seemed interested in doing it.
14:22:03 <nigel> Nigel: We have a scheduling issue - if we want to publish on 13th Nov then we need to
14:23:10 <nigel> .. complete it on October 30th. I have mentioned that to Mike.
14:23:16 <nigel> Glenn: We can publish the Note later.
14:23:37 <nigel> Nigel: Yes, I was thinking that from an external perspective it makes sense to synchronise
14:23:46 <nigel> .. its publication with the Rec publications.
14:23:54 <nigel> .. Our decision policy does apply.
14:24:35 <nigel> Pierre: I think we should make sure Mike is informed of what we're planning.
14:24:51 <nigel> Nigel: I think I already did, but if it's not clear then we can make it so.
14:24:57 <nigel> Pierre: I thought it was not clear.
14:25:13 <nigel> Nigel: Can we agree to target 13th November for publication of an update?
14:25:28 <nigel> Pierre: If its available 2 weeks later and Mike is happy then it's a better outcome. If he's
14:25:41 <nigel> .. happy for us to proceed and make Nov 13th then I'm equally happy with that.
14:26:05 <nigel> Glenn: I don't have a strong position either way. I have no problem deferring to let Mike
14:26:17 <nigel> .. get involved and in some ways would prefer that.
14:26:50 <nigel> Andreas: No opinions
14:27:04 <nigel> Nigel: It seems to be me who has the strongest view, and I also would like Mike to be
14:27:11 <nigel> .. able to participate and be happy with the outcome.
14:27:24 <nigel> .. The key thing is there doesn't seem to be a strong group motivation for publishing
14:27:33 <nigel> .. on the same date as the Recs, so we can take a little longer.
14:27:45 <nigel> .. I will contact Mike and let him know.
14:28:09 <nigel> .. Moving on,
14:28:33 <nigel> .. The EBU-TT Metadata proposal is in pull request #50. Unless anyone has any comments
14:28:45 <nigel> .. now then I propose that we review this in our f2f meeting next week.
14:29:22 <nigel> Pierre: I've not had time to review, maybe tell us the general idea.
14:29:36 <nigel> Nigel: I made a proposal based on Cyril's suggestion, which involved adding both a
14:29:48 <nigel> .. normative statement about the origination of the ebuttm: namespace and the elements
14:30:07 <nigel> .. we refer to within that namespace, and an informative note describing the applicability
14:30:19 <nigel> .. of the EBU-TT Metadata specification, which was drawn from the abstract and scope
14:30:42 <nigel> .. of that document. However my concern is that I don't think that text is ideal. So I'd
14:30:46 <nigel> .. appreciate reviews.
14:31:21 <nigel> .. I took text from the specification to be non-contentious but the result somehow
14:31:28 <nigel> .. doesn't hit the spot.
14:31:38 <nigel> Pierre: Thanks for that, I will review it.
14:31:50 <nigel> .. I have to drop off the call now. [drops off the call]
14:31:55 <nigel> Nigel: Thanks.
14:32:14 <nigel> Nigel: There's one other thing to add, which is that specref isn't up to date for the EBU
14:32:29 <nigel> .. specifications so I've added local bibliography entries in the pull request and will also
14:32:43 <nigel> .. make a pull request on specref to add them there; assuming that works, I can remove
14:32:48 <nigel> .. the local entries from this pull request.
14:33:05 <nigel> .. I'm mid-flight in preparing the specref pull request right now.
14:33:27 <nigel> Topic: TPAC 2018
14:33:43 <nigel> Nigel: There's been some discussion of the agenda for the M&E IG joint meeting, and no
14:33:46 <nigel> .. more on our meeting.
14:34:03 <nigel> .. As per the discussion above I will add TTML Profile Registry pull request reviews to
14:34:06 <nigel> .. the agenda for our meeting.
14:34:29 <nigel> .. Any queries or comments for our TPAC agenda or our joint meeting agenda?
14:34:49 <nigel> group: [no]
14:34:58 <nigel> Nigel: We'll finalise the agenda on Monday morning in any case.
14:35:20 <nigel> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:36:28 <nigel> .. One thing to note - our meeting on Monday begins 0830 and I hope to be there from
14:36:30 <nigel> .. the beginning.
14:36:43 <nigel> .. Please try to be punctual so we can maximise the use of our time.
14:36:56 <nigel> .. I have also sent Webex joining details to the member-tt reflector for anyone wanting
14:37:07 <nigel> .. to join remotely, and we have a Polycom phone available in the room.
14:38:02 <nigel> Topic: Meeting Close
14:38:16 <nigel> Nigel: We've completed our agenda, so thank you everyone. See you on Monday, those
14:38:27 <nigel> .. at the F2F, good travels. [adjourns meeting]
14:39:15 <nigel> i/RESOLUTION: Request transition of TTML2/.
14:39:25 <nigel> i/RESOLUTION: Request transition of I/.
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14:53:54 <nigel> Regrets+ Thierry
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