IRC log of tt on 2018-10-18
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- Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 18 October 2018
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- Log: https://www.w3.org/2018/10/18-tt-irc
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- scribe: nigel
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- Present: Andreas, Glenn, Nigel
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- Regrets: Cyril
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- Chair: Nigel
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- Topic: This meeting
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- Nigel: Today, our agenda has TPAC F2F for next week, TTML Profile Registry,
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- .. and proposing that we request transition to Rec of TTML1 3rd Ed, TTML2 and IMSC 1.1.
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- .. I'd like to check if there's any review response of the CSS email also.
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- .. Any specific points to raise or other business?
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- Andreas: Not from my side.
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- Glenn: Negative!
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- Present+ Pierre
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- Pierre: Only got a couple of minutes
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- .. Re the CSS Text Level 4 changes, no comment - it's hard for me to understand but good that it's there.
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- .. Maybe with a greater understanding of CSS it makes more sense.
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- Topic: Transition requests
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- Nigel: I've reviewed the open pull requests to prepare Rec versions, I think they're all
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- .. approved now.
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- .. I had one query about the list of contributing authors on TTML1 3rd Ed but aside from
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- .. that there are no substantive changes.
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- .. As mentioned last week, I propose that we begin the decision review period on a resolution
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- .. to request transition to Rec of TTML1 3rd Ed, TTML2 and IMSC 1.1 today.
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- .. This would be based on those repo branches that contain the prepared versions.
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- .. Thank you to the Editors for creating those.
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- .. Any objection to requesting transition?
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- group: [silence]
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- Nigel: Our timeline shows I have to send the WG Resolution on 2nd Nov.
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- PROPOSAL: Request transition of TTML1 3rd Ed to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
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- PROPOSAL: Request transition of TTML2 to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
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- PROPOSAL: Request transition of IMSC1.1 to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
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- Nigel: Any objections to making those Resolutions?
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- group: [silence]
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- RESOLUTION: Request transition of TTML1 3rd Ed to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
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- RESOLUTION: Request transition of TTML2 to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
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- RESOLUTION: Request transition of IMSC1.1 to Rec on 2nd Nov 2018
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- Nigel: Thank you!
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- .. Looking at the AC review there are no objections, and 11 organisations have responded.
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- Glenn: You might want to point out the change request on the wiki, which drove a
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- .. number of the changes. Terence Eden is probably not aware of it and we didn't refer
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- .. to it.
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- Nigel: I got the sense that he thinks it is good practice to motivate the changes, and we
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- .. have not done that.
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- .. I am happy to check that with him though.
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- Glenn: It would certainly help for people reviewing from the outside in, you know.
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- Nigel: Agreed.
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- Topic: TTML1 Contributing Authors
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- Nigel: Looking at the TTML1 list of Contributing Authors, I think it needs some
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- .. adjustment. I think I should be added, and Andreas's status is no longer Invited Expert.
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- Glenn: I think we should update it as you mention to add yourself and update Andreas
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- .. as a minimum.
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- Pierre: No opinion
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- Glenn: Pierre, can you handle that update?
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- Pierre: Sure.
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- .. Can people be listed in Editors as well as Contributing Authors?
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- Glenn: I did that in TTML2
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- Nigel: No objection from me
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- Pierre: If you can open an issue for it that would be helpful, or make a comment on the PR
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- Nigel: I can do that
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- Pierre: It would be useful to say the list should match TTML2
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- Nigel: Yes, that's fine.
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- .. I will update the pull request comment
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- Nigel: Any other comments on the Rec preparation pull requests?
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- group: [no other comments]
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- Topic: TTML Profile Registry
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- Nigel: I've opened some pull requests but there are some issues remaining without
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- .. proposals.
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- Pierre: My understanding is Mike wanted to be involved but cannot be until after TPAC.
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- Nigel: That's right.
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- Pierre: I haven't done anything because Mike seemed interested in doing it.
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- Nigel: We have a scheduling issue - if we want to publish on 13th Nov then we need to
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- .. complete it on October 30th. I have mentioned that to Mike.
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- Glenn: We can publish the Note later.
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- Nigel: Yes, I was thinking that from an external perspective it makes sense to synchronise
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- .. its publication with the Rec publications.
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- .. Our decision policy does apply.
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- Pierre: I think we should make sure Mike is informed of what we're planning.
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- Nigel: I think I already did, but if it's not clear then we can make it so.
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- Pierre: I thought it was not clear.
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- Nigel: Can we agree to target 13th November for publication of an update?
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- Pierre: If its available 2 weeks later and Mike is happy then it's a better outcome. If he's
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- .. happy for us to proceed and make Nov 13th then I'm equally happy with that.
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- Glenn: I don't have a strong position either way. I have no problem deferring to let Mike
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- .. get involved and in some ways would prefer that.
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- Andreas: No opinions
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- Nigel: It seems to be me who has the strongest view, and I also would like Mike to be
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- .. able to participate and be happy with the outcome.
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- .. The key thing is there doesn't seem to be a strong group motivation for publishing
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- .. on the same date as the Recs, so we can take a little longer.
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- .. I will contact Mike and let him know.
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- .. Moving on,
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- .. The EBU-TT Metadata proposal is in pull request #50. Unless anyone has any comments
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- .. now then I propose that we review this in our f2f meeting next week.
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- Pierre: I've not had time to review, maybe tell us the general idea.
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- Nigel: I made a proposal based on Cyril's suggestion, which involved adding both a
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- .. normative statement about the origination of the ebuttm: namespace and the elements
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- .. we refer to within that namespace, and an informative note describing the applicability
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- .. of the EBU-TT Metadata specification, which was drawn from the abstract and scope
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- .. of that document. However my concern is that I don't think that text is ideal. So I'd
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- .. appreciate reviews.
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- .. I took text from the specification to be non-contentious but the result somehow
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- .. doesn't hit the spot.
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- Pierre: Thanks for that, I will review it.
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- .. I have to drop off the call now. [drops off the call]
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- Nigel: Thanks.
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- Nigel: There's one other thing to add, which is that specref isn't up to date for the EBU
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- .. specifications so I've added local bibliography entries in the pull request and will also
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- .. make a pull request on specref to add them there; assuming that works, I can remove
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- .. the local entries from this pull request.
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- .. I'm mid-flight in preparing the specref pull request right now.
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- Topic: TPAC 2018
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- Nigel: There's been some discussion of the agenda for the M&E IG joint meeting, and no
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- .. more on our meeting.
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- .. As per the discussion above I will add TTML Profile Registry pull request reviews to
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- .. the agenda for our meeting.
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- .. Any queries or comments for our TPAC agenda or our joint meeting agenda?
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- group: [no]
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- Nigel: We'll finalise the agenda on Monday morning in any case.
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- .. One thing to note - our meeting on Monday begins 0830 and I hope to be there from
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- .. the beginning.
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- .. Please try to be punctual so we can maximise the use of our time.
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- .. I have also sent Webex joining details to the member-tt reflector for anyone wanting
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- .. to join remotely, and we have a Polycom phone available in the room.
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- Topic: Meeting Close
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- Nigel: We've completed our agenda, so thank you everyone. See you on Monday, those
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- .. at the F2F, good travels. [adjourns meeting]
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- Regrets+ Thierry
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