<shawn> the backstory http://www.uiaccess.com/embracing-carrots.html
<scribe> scribe: MichaelC
Next meeting: 7 November 2018
Looking into space for 3 WGs to meet at CSUN location before formal conference
looks promising but don´t expect confirmation until later
comments?
slh: should be fine; I´ll still need to confirm food etc.
jb: great if you can find
sponsors for other costs
... jeanne, michael?
mc: we´ve scrambled on shorter notice than that before, so think ok
slh: 10-12
jb: jeanne, is this different from last year´s design sprint?
js: yes, expect 10
jb: could it go up if certain things happen?
js: figure the added numbers would go to ag wg
jb: do you need the overlap and
draw off from each other?
... mc, numbers for ag wg?
mc: haven´t asked
<shawn> EOWG f2f CSUN estimates 10 people
js: don´t think Silver will draw off AG, we tried last time and people prioritized AG
jb: maybe AG can get other TFs to float
<Ryladog> Three rooms would be great
by shortening Silver meeting and having a floating space
mc: Silver and AG each want 2 days
js: remember they´re still pretty separate groups at this point
<Ryladog> Hi, sorry I am late
jb: registration closed, any last-minute issues?
joint meetings lined up?
janina: not set up on a horizontal review summit
MC been working on that team-side, minimal progress
<jamesn> Registration closes on Oct 14 so not closed yet
jb: who are you waiting on? <names half of w3m as possibilities>
mc: sent outline to Ralph, he wanted to give feedback before sending to architecture
at this point, I plan to stick into session ideas wiki, he can clean up if needed
gk: plan to coordinate some publishing stuff
jb: anything I can help?
gk: solve math on the web
seriously, we want to work on horizontal review, math, personalization
jb: ?? horizontal review
gk: obtaining horizontal review of Publishing WG work
ts: but that´s not a session
jb: issue is you haven´t had horizontal review, for instance for privacy and security?
gk: yes
jb: it´s not on Rec track so don´t have process to catch
janina: there´s a CG working on math
stuff on knowledge domain
working on a couple other meetings
jb: so I´m hearing a broad scope, including architecture of personalization
Ralph should follow up as well
any other TPAC things?
jb: anything before TPAC?
janina: Personalization stuff - two FPWD of modules, and two updated WDs
mc: AccName to PR
jb: status?
mc: have ARIA WG approval, have to send transition requests
<Judy> jb: please copy me on the transition question so that I'm in the loop
mc: also plan ARIA 1.2 updates immediately after TPAC
janina: COGA has a FPWD of a fork from a split
jb: understand there was confusion about how to title it, is it being sorted?
janina: making progress, but not at conclusion
jb: some of the concerns from AG WG?
janina: yes; hope Alastair will help avoid
also worried about usability of docs; MC also raised that
jb: details?
janina: Alastair reformatted, I haven´t reviewed yet
asked MC to re-engage
there are some huge tables that won´t fit on a page unless you shrink font unreasonably
not expecting anything before TPAC
jb: anything else on pubs; and remember to prepare announcements for any publications, with a heads up for review
<janina> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/9
jb: ^ describes space and potential solutions
js, your goals?
janina: hope the description is good, otherwise need to tighten
want to determine if this is something we could productively work on
ts: have discussed in publishing
this isn´t just a11y, we deal with these sorts of content representation challenges in publishing al ot
like the approach of trying to address via existing technologies
maybe we can address by approaching as SVG and CSS and using image accessibility techniques
<Ryladog> This is a significant issue IMHO
jb: anybody thinking there are already mechanism we can use?
gk: <static>text<static>tzviya said
jb: hearing it is an issue, and we don´t have a mechanism, have a small funding to diagram center to work on it
I think this description is clear and succint
trying to think if ready for broader circulation
perhaps messaging that we´re trying to figure out best architecture
janina: at bottom
jb: that´s hidden
too many this´s and thats
janina: was being caution after the XHTML Wars
jb: want a sentence like ¨we believe we need a mechanism to¨ <speaks too fast to catch the rest>
who do you want to talk to outside a11y?
janina: publishing for sure
not sure who else
jb: suggest Ralph
ts: need to sell to tool developers, e.g., Adobe InDesign, LaTeX tools, etc.
jb: what tools in that category?
ts: those are the biggies
also HTML authoring tools
things like MathJaax
could ask Math CG about that
jb: plan to spin up some more authoring tool activity
ts: also microsoft Word
gk: mainstream tools important because authoring is just as important as reading
<Judy> gk: microsoft doesn't even expose mathml at all. having a generalized solution would be good. it's not only the presentation and reading of the materials, but how you create it, the authoring process is tough work.
ts: going with a ¨please support X solution¨ might not win
but going in with ¨please use existing technology to X¨ might go better
jb: would ATAG help?
ts: don´t know
janina: expect we´ll discuss several times
jb: from earlier discussion, heard question of how to obtain horizontal review for publishing
ts: GK working on ISO issue
EPub 3.2 is a community group doc, so formal horizontal review not happening
plan to send messages around for informal horizontal review
no plans to go to Rec track at the moment
janina: are there plans for a new synchronized audio / text markup?
ts: will look into that
janina: there are existing formats, wary of yet another one
jb: who wants to discuss knowledge domain more?
<tzviya> i'll participate
<Ryladog> +1
gk: interested
jb: will arrange offline discussion
see you at TPAC!
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