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19:53:30 <PWinstanley> chair: PWinstanley
19:53:50 <PWinstanley> regrets+ David Browning
19:54:47 <PWinstanley> regrets+  Makx, Ixchel Faniel
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20:04:01 <alejandra> scribenick: alejandra
20:04:25 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG Plenary
20:04:39 <azaroth> present+ Rob_Sanderson
20:04:53 <alejandra> topic: Approve September 18 meeting minutes
20:04:56 <SimonCox> rrsagent draft minutes
20:05:11 <SimonCox> rrsagent, draft minutes
20:05:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/10/02-dxwg-minutes.html SimonCox
20:05:16 <alejandra> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2018.09.25
20:05:32 <alejandra> s/topic: Approve September 18 meeting minutes//
20:05:42 <alejandra> topic: Approve September 18 meeting minutes
20:05:55 <alejandra> s/topic: Approve September 18 meeting minutes/
20:06:13 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2018/09/25-dxwg-minutes
20:06:40 <annette_g> q+
20:06:43 <alejandra> topic: approve minutes from last meeting (25th September)
20:06:45 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
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20:06:54 <alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2018/09/25-dxwg-minutes
20:07:20 <alejandra> +1
20:07:28 <azaroth> +0 (was not present)
20:07:50 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+
20:07:50 <roba> +1
20:07:58 <antoine> +1
20:08:04 <SimonCox> +1
20:08:05 <PWinstanley> +1
20:08:08 <annette_g> +1
20:08:10 <kcoyle> +1
20:08:25 <alejandra> resolved: previous meeting minutes approved
20:09:06 <alejandra> topic: open actions
20:09:11 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
20:10:18 <alejandra> PWinstanley: action 145
20:10:35 <PWinstanley> q?
20:10:36 <kcoyle> q+
20:10:38 <alejandra> ... it seems completed as there is now a repository manager associated with the github repository
20:10:40 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
20:10:54 <alejandra> kcoyle: what does it trigger the check?
20:10:56 <alejandra> +q
20:11:37 <alejandra> kcoyle: I've been told that the check is about verifying if a person is in the group
20:11:44 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
20:12:40 <alejandra> alejandra: the check requires to link the github and the w3c accounts to verify a PR
20:12:52 <SimonCox> regrets: Jaro
20:12:55 <PWinstanley> regrets+ JPullmann
20:12:56 <alejandra> PWinstanley: we will keep action 145 open
20:13:32 <alejandra> PWinstanley: action about jmeter?
20:13:51 <alejandra> roba: it's part of the profiles work
20:14:13 <alejandra> topic: F2F4
20:14:40 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/F2f4
20:14:44 <kcoyle> q+
20:14:48 <alejandra> PWinstanley: everyone planning to go should have booked their place on w3c and make travel arrangements
20:15:37 <alejandra> ... check the agenda page
20:16:02 <azaroth> q+ to ask about JSON-LD / Profile Conneg joint session
20:16:10 <alejandra> ... we'll review where we are, check requirements, etc
20:16:12 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
20:16:31 <alejandra> kcoyle: for people attending remotely, let us know what times you'll be available
20:17:01 <alejandra> PWinstanley: please consider time zones
20:17:15 <PWinstanley> ack azaroth
20:17:15 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to ask about JSON-LD / Profile Conneg joint session
20:17:36 <alejandra> azaroth: regrets for the F2F as I'll be in the JSON-LD group
20:17:51 <alejandra> ... it would be great to arrange a joint session between JSON-LD and profile conneg
20:17:59 <alejandra> ... I don't think it needs more than an hour
20:18:13 <alejandra> ... we could organise a breakout
20:18:32 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/F2f4#Ideas.2C_issues.2C_topics_to_discuss
20:18:48 <alejandra> PWinstanley: include idea in that section of the planning pages
20:19:46 <PWinstanley> q?
20:20:03 <alejandra> topic: DCAT-rev
20:20:18 <PWinstanley> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-2pwd-internal-review/dcat/index.html
20:20:31 <alejandra> PWinstanley: proposed 2nd PWD
20:20:59 <alejandra> ... have people read it and are prepared to vote?
20:21:15 <kcoyle> ?+
20:23:14 <SimonCox> this was announced to the list 2 weeks ago
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20:24:58 <annette_g> q+
20:25:17 <alejandra_> PWinstanley: need to check moratorium for publication, was announced on the list
20:25:31 <alejandra_> kcoyle: October 17th is the last day for publications
20:25:32 <SimonCox> It was announced to the list here https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Sep/0342.html
20:25:40 <alejandra_> PWinstanley: so we can give until the end of the week
20:26:01 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
20:26:37 <alejandra_> annette_g: since this is the 2nd draft, the criteria for acceptance should be stricter
20:26:53 <alejandra_> ... some small clarifications
20:27:09 <alejandra_> ... I've got some notes
20:27:26 <alejandra_> ... there is a statement about the DCAT profiles
20:27:43 <alejandra_> ... is there an intention to discriminate about profiles that have been using DCAT or DCAT profiles?
20:28:08 <SimonCox> annette_g: do you have a suggestion to correct the workding about profiles/conformance
20:28:11 <SimonCox> ?
20:28:26 <alejandra_> ... I had a difficult distinguishing between a Resource and a CatalogRecord
20:28:38 <PWinstanley> s/workding/wording/
20:28:54 <alejandra_> ... I had a hard time telling the Resource from the Distribution and the DistributionService
20:29:09 <alejandra_> ... the chain of different levels we have has become more complicated
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20:29:38 <alejandra_> ... things are defined very briefly in the overview and it might be a need to expand on the distinction between the classes
20:29:38 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
20:30:04 <alejandra_> ... my understanding is that DataService is a superclass for DataDistributionService
20:30:06 <alejandra_> SimonCox: yes
20:30:26 <alejandra_> annette_g: figure 1 is missing
20:30:49 <SimonCox> Figure 1 is there, the CSS/JS stuff seems to sometimes delay rendering - try refresh and it will show up
20:31:06 <SimonCox> you will have a harder time understanding the model without looking at the figure!
20:31:24 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:31:38 <alejandra_> ... in 6.9 says that DataDistribution is the superclass for discovery service
20:31:48 <SimonCox> Here is the figure https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/UML/DCAT-summary-all-attributes.png
20:31:51 <alejandra_> +q
20:32:03 <SimonCox> it really is easier to understand the model if you inspect this.
20:33:27 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra_
20:34:21 <PWinstanley> alejandra_: thanks for reading with fresh eyes.  Please can you send the questions to me.  As SimonCox  pointed out some will perhaps be clarified by looking at the diagram, but if there are errors then we need to correct asap
20:34:23 <alejandra_> annette_g: usage note in 6.10
20:34:35 <alejandra_> ... is in discord with the distribution
20:34:50 <alejandra_> ... is the intention that distributions are informationally equivalents?
20:34:57 <alejandra_> ... if so, what distinguish them?
20:35:02 <alejandra_> SimonCox: different serializations
20:35:16 <alejandra_> PWinstanley: different formats - pdf vs csv, etc
20:35:29 <alejandra_> annette_g: that makes sense
20:35:46 <roba> i also had concerns re definition and applicability of " informational equivalence"
20:36:31 <alejandra_> we now have the "bag of files" solutions for when there are things that are not informational equivalent
20:36:42 <alejandra_> +1 to sending these comments via email or github issues
20:36:44 <roba> its in the issues - will chase it down (link should be in doc..)
20:36:50 <PWinstanley> q?
20:37:24 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/52
20:37:27 <alejandra_> annette_g: in section 6.10.8 there are access services
20:37:39 <SimonCox> The 'information equivalent' question is being discussed at https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/411
20:38:08 <alejandra_> ... and accessURL?
20:38:44 <roba> q+
20:39:01 <alejandra_> PWinstanley / SimonCox: if I got a catalog, accessService points to the description of the data distribution service
20:39:06 <SimonCox> q+
20:39:40 <alejandra_> PWinstanley: we should take this offline and discuss them in issues
20:40:00 <alejandra_> ... could be part of the 2nd PWD review
20:40:11 <alejandra_> ... issues about interpretation rather than faults in the model
20:40:20 <SimonCox> accessService points the description of the DataDistributionService in a catalog (perhaps the same one), while accessURL points to the service endpoint itself
20:40:25 <riccardoAlbertoni>  +1 to take these issues  in the review after publication...
20:40:28 <PWinstanley> q?
20:40:33 <SimonCox> q-
20:40:34 <PWinstanley> ack roba
20:40:56 <alejandra_> roba: pointing out issue 411 (https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/411) about meaning of informational equivalence
20:41:07 <alejandra_> ... should be reference in the draft
20:41:19 <alejandra_> ... clear definition of what that is
20:41:31 <alejandra_> ... given that it is an open issue, it should be called out in the document
20:41:51 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
20:42:06 <alejandra_> SimonCox: I agree that the issue 411 should be called out in section 6.10
20:42:22 <alejandra_> PWinstanley: other questions or points?
20:43:40 <alejandra_> PWinstanley: propose to vote about 2nd PWD with the change of issue 411, plus editorial change on link to DATS, send message to the list and wait until Friday this week
20:43:59 <alejandra_> Proposed: accept publication of 2nd PWD with the change of issue 411, plus editorial change on link to DATS, send message to the list and wait until Friday this week
20:44:03 <alejandra_> +1
20:44:05 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:44:05 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:44:08 <azaroth> +1
20:44:09 <PWinstanley> +1
20:44:10 <roba> +1
20:44:10 <kcoyle> +1
20:44:12 <antoine> +1
20:44:12 <annette_g> -1
20:44:15 <SimonCox> +1
20:45:01 <alejandra_> annette_g: I think there is more than issue 411
20:45:52 <alejandra_> PWinstanley: propose to move ahead with rigour and speed - get it out and consider annette_g comment's as first comments for revision
20:48:01 <alejandra_> Action: annette_g to add issues on github related to the comments on the 2nd PWD document
20:48:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-227 - Add issues on github related to the comments on the 2nd pwd document [on Annette Greiner - due 2018-10-09].
20:48:53 <alejandra_> Proposed: accept publication of 2nd PWD with the change of issue 411 plus editorial change on link to DATS, consider after publication comments make by annette_g as per action 227, send message to the list and wait until Friday this week
20:49:05 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:49:06 <SimonCox> +1
20:49:07 <roba> +1
20:49:09 <PWinstanley> +1
20:49:10 <kcoyle> +1
20:49:11 <azaroth> +1
20:49:15 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:49:15 <antoine> +1
20:49:30 <alejandra_> +1
20:49:33 <annette_g> that still doesn't say that we will mark issues in the 2PWD
20:50:33 <alejandra_> PWinstanley: what do you mean specifically?
20:50:49 <alejandra_> annette_g: the point about dcat profiles and better definitions of resources
20:51:52 <alejandra_> PWinstanley: is this an impediment for publication of 2nd public WD?
20:52:34 <azaroth> +1 to clearly marking issues in the draft
20:52:54 <alejandra_> annette_g: these things I pointed out should be included as issues in the draft
20:53:13 <alejandra_> PWinstanley: we can add a reference to action 227
20:54:06 <alejandra_> annette_g: I think that's fine, as long as we mark in some ways that there are still issues
20:56:08 <alejandra_> annette_g: I hadn't realised that there are so many github issues referenced
20:56:22 <SimonCox> See list of github issues referred to here https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#issue-summary
20:57:02 <alejandra_> PWinstanley: between today and Friday, would you be able to put those comments on github and then make sure the draft points to the github issues
20:57:15 <alejandra_> annette_g: yes
20:57:38 <alejandra_> PWinstanley: we can clarify this in the email to people
20:58:32 <alejandra_> ... that this is still a working draft and not final
20:58:38 <alejandra_> ... to encourage people to review it
20:59:11 <annette_g> Proposed: accept publication of 2nd PWD with the change of adding links to GitHub issues for comments made by annette_g as per action 227, send message to the list and wait until Friday this week.
20:59:20 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:59:20 <azaroth> +1
20:59:23 <PWinstanley> +1
20:59:24 <kcoyle> +1
20:59:24 <annette_g> +1
20:59:29 <antoine> +1
20:59:30 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:00:11 <alejandra_> the proposal is also considering issue 411 and editorial change
21:00:13 <annette_g> Resolved: accept publication of 2nd PWD with the change of issue 411 plus editorial change on link to DATS, consider after publication comments make by annette_g as per action 227, send message to the list and wait until Friday this week.
21:00:27 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:01:06 <annette_g> s/make by/made by/
21:01:17 <riccardoAlbertoni> thanks, bye !
21:01:28 <roba> bye
21:01:32 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, bye bye!
21:01:34 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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