<JohnRochford> Hi Wayne. I'm joining this meeting to learn more about your generated-content work.
<JohnRochford> I can't get in by phone yet.
<JohnRochford> ok
<WayneD> * Morning All
<JohnRochford> I joined, but I can't hear anyone.
<scribe> scribe: Jim
close item 1
wd: tested all of Jon's issues and found them all true
test page http://nosetothepage.org/pseudoImgLnk.html
wd: can't inject aria into dom
thru css
... can't change role or class. you can add css parameters. but
can't add css parameters to css
... for icon-fonts - if author fails to add role=image nothing
user can do to fix it
<JohnRochford> This is the link Wayne provided today.: http://nosetothepage.org/fullPseudoTest.html
wd: User can replace generated
content [ ] with other content using Stylus
... Example 2, if you use browser find, to look for the word
"Fact", the browser won't find it.
... Example 3, work with a screen reader, used visually hidden
generated content.
jim: disappearing icons when changing fonts?
jon: replace fonts with arial, try to skip changing <i>
http://nosetothepage.org/fullPseudoTest.html
<jon_avila> * { font-family:arial !important; }
jon: need more specificity in the
technique, to tease out which styles work and which
don't.
... see icon fonts * for required fields etc
jr: icon fonts for cognitive issues to make content easier to understand.
wd: I use icon fonts for my own purposes as assistive technology.
jon: I too use icon fonts in a favelet to help with testing etc.
<JohnRochford> Example of using icon fonts to help people understand content: https://disabilityinfo.org/records/index/?search=61789
jon: important to note that <img> and <input> don't support generated content, there may be others
wd: Generated content. How to use
generated content accessibly. with caveats/constraints from
WCAG
... generated content has no semantics and you can't find
it.
test page https://rawgit.com/allanj-uaag/wcag21/example-reflow-url/example-reflow-url.html
jim: looks ok in FF, not so good in chrome, and worst in Edge
jr: in IE the long url pushed the aside to the bottom of the page
wd: safari looks like chrome
jon: different resolutions and browser width also compound the view
jim: please review the technique for content.
jr: perhaps an advisory at the top of the example about different browsers and resolutions.
open item 4
jon: concerned about HCM or
ignore colors in IE, don't have a total handle on what works
and where.
... need a test page to use across browser. Need a list of what
changes and what doesn't in HCM.
wd: when I get to a page with lots of controls I turn off my color style sheet to make sure I can see everything.
jon: SC not text contrast. concern about outline and using other more complex methods. would be good to write a technique so if you turn off or make outline transparent.
jim: there are many issues around
color, may come up in silver
... HCM issues different instances per browser.
jon: no setting in chrome
extension. it is just a filter. user has little control.
... mac has increase contrast mode. changes control borders and
other fine controls, but not replacing colors. doesn't solve
all of the issues.
... doesn't provide all of the control that Windows HCM
... HCM can control text colors and other things.
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2nd para - For people with low vision, enlarged text with reflow enables reading. It is critical. Enlargement enables perception of characters. Reflow enables tracking. Tracking is following along lines of text, including getting from the end of one line to the beginning of the next line.
jon: it makes sense. think this is ok
<JohnRochford> I bow to Jim's lexical prowess. He, not I, pronounces "illustrative" correctly.
jr: on the cognitive side. large text improves comprehension.
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