<mck> chair: matt_king
<scribe> scribe: AnnAbbott
mck: goal is to get first public
working draft by Thursday so ARIA can publish 1.2
... new section for structural roles - blockquote, paragraph
and 1 more
... James has new 1.2 branch
mck: has vendor lined up to test
18 examples - kickoff meeting tomorrow
... call for volunteers to review Bocoup work
aa: are they writing tool or doing manually?
mck: integrating into webdriverIO and developing code for test assertions and configs tests
jg: can help
<jemma> jemma: I can be a back up person
mck: issue is menuitem need to
own/contain menu links but functionality is broken for kbd
users
... bg says it isn't a bug
... need change to pattern and spec doesn't support what's in
pattern
<jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/592
mck: required owned elements in
spec, menu not included
... proposes submitting PR to ARIA 1.2 that required owned
elements for menu role include menu
jg: required or allowed
mck: required = allowed
<jemma> The only issue I see with this guidance is that menu is not one of the required owned elements for menu. The required owned elements include: group menuitemradio menuitem menuitemcheckbox menuitemradio
<jemma> from Matt's comment
bg: can't nest links in tree
either
... menu is composite widget and child elements must be
menuitem, menuitemcheckbox and menuitemradion
mck: menu is container and must have at least one menuitem
bg: if defined properly and provide good example, then not a bug
mck: thinking we need to change
pattern, but pattern isn't supported by spec
... more difficult problem for tree has no container equivalent
like menu
bg: make links owned by group (sibling)
<mck> Perhaps the guidance should be that:
<mck> A submenu, e.g., a menu opened by menuitem, is:
<mck> • Contained inside the same menu as the menuitem that opens it.
<mck> • is the sibling element immediately following the menuitem that opens it.
mck: pattern could say that
bg: sounds good
mck: still need change to
spec
... doesn't support nesting in menu
bg: aria-owns on link pointed to group then the nesting is calculated by browsers
mck: best to have spec support
same structure
... needs further thought
... aria-controls would fix parent swallowing children
... wait on issue #159 - need different approach
... spec change needed and aria-controls on links and allow
menus to own menus as child
... Issue #592 is not a bug - to address, need changes to
pattern text (see mck: comment above)
mck: issue is behavior matches pattern, but bug says pattern should say more about what Escape key does
Jemma: Escape does not close menu
mck: if focus is in submenu or on
parent, Escape should close menu - requires clarification to
pattern and code also
... doesn't think can get done right away
jg: changing example code won't be hard
mck: doesn't think code change is needed
Jemma: doesn't think its a bug
jg: thinks it is a bug
siri agrees
aa: agrees
<jemma> http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/menubar/menubar-1/menubar-1.html
jg; has already made code change and documentation - can make pull request
mck: talking about menubar2
... menubar1 has this and a bunch more issues
no meeting July 2, July 23 and July 30
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