Jeanne: Anyone on the call with
GitHub expertise?
... Let's start with requirements document.
<jeanne> https://w3c.github.io/silver/requirements/
Jeanne: finally in a fairly
polished state. Put it in W3 format and put it on Github.
... going to have to change status of the document because
we're not officially chartered to do W3C Recommendations track
work.
<jeanne> ACTION: Jeanne to update Requirements with the Community Group SOTD
<trackbot> Created ACTION-181 - Update requirements with the community group sotd [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2018-06-01].
Jeanne: is it me or is there nothing in this except for doc outline?
<Charles> so, if the PR is accepted and somehow pushed, the styles would be visible here? https://w3c.github.io/silver/prototypes/guideline-detail-page.html
~general github pages troubleshooting discussion~
<Charles> see here: https://github.com/w3c/silver/branches
<chaals> jeanne, ping
Jeanne: While we're working on that in the background, why don't we...
<jeanne> https://docs.google.com/document/d/13v22c045j4QfUlohjyu-kz46smamXavL-pIndWetel0/edit
Jeanne: right now it has no structure. It's just a copy/paste
<chaals> The document Jeanne wants to show
Jeanne: Oh! I was missing the
slash master
... in the meantime we'll see if we can get the requirements
document visible.
... might be able to get it in rawgit which would be good
... Some background, this is the action item I took on Tuesday
to start moving conformance prototype...to writing it all down
andmoving it into Github
... it's also in a tool the W3C uses for specifications called
Respec- there is a button for that in the upper-right corner.
It does a lot of the background W3C information. If I did it
right it builds table of contents, definitions, all kinds of
useful specification type information.
... the first part is the abstract. I'm not sure what people
think about that, but feel free to create issues on the
document and anything you see, bring it up and I'll take
notes.
Charles: First thing I see...conceptually as we work through prototypes, we might need a naming convention that shows which version
Jeanne: That's a very good
idea.
... it's definitely an issue we need to talk about more: if
we're going to have multiple prototypes
Charles: At the very least, for all or our work in this phase, some portion needs to be versioned or iterated so when we test, we're testing against something that exists and testing against versions
Jeanne: Trying to give links to
various support documents. Somehow link to problems wiki page
didn't come through.
... Why don't we start by looking at overall conformance. we
talked about this a little on Tuesday.
... I started with LEED green building certification and using
that...thought about the point system to allow us to address
needs of different types of sites..so we wouldn't have the same
requirements for a large company as a small company
... Linked to the notes Jan types up from AccessU session. Some
of the things fo rthe points system. Some of the concerns
people raised that they want to see us address.
... this would be easier to work on in Google Docs because we
can make comments more easily than issues in Github
<Charles> I have an update on Plain Language volunteers
Charles: Not sure if everyone on the call is privvy to previous milestones in this recruiting effort. I stumbled upon a coworker is vice chair for center for plain language an offshoot of original agency for US gov't plain language guidelines that IRS and other agencies now use. In the Center for plain language they just had a major annual meeting and all board members were hesitant to volunteer for other efforts, but he offered to reach out to the entire group.
Just today got back 3 volunteers. Sarah Green, Cath Strob, and Janna Goldman
scribe: all interested in
volunteering their expertise
... sent a follow up to them this afternoon. Hopefully will get
them connected as community group members and joining that
prototyping effort
Jeanne: That is great news. Can you send contact information to me and Shawn so we can start including them in what we're working on for plain language?
Charles: Sure, I can forward you my original response to them.
Jeanne: Want to also include
Angela? She's also working on plain language.
... We were emailing about setting up experiment on the 4 WCAG
success criteria we picked out a few weeks ago.
... we will include them in that email which is great.
<jeanne> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10p-8-v-XqRllBaX_eTiXXvyyDYeft8GRiN3_11V3U0w/edit#gid=0 <- Project Plan
Jeanne: I had an action item to talk to Angela, we emailed instead.
<jeanne> open actions <- https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/track/actions/open
Jeanne: so Charles was working on moving requirements document to github and incorporate edits...not sure how far he got. I also moved conformance prototype into github.
<jeanne> https://rawgit.com/w3c/silver/master/requirements/
Jeanne: rawgit gives us a better
look...
... it's not formatted nicely, but it has the content in it
beyond just the outline
Design Pricniple 1: 'people' is missing
Requirements number 2: Change to "structure is flexible and forgiving for unanticipated needs"
Rework first paragraph of the requirements. It's too detailed.
The first sentence is only about the WCAG and doesn't include Authoring Tool/User Agent Guidelines
Jeanne: Requirements document should be in a more final state on Tuesday.
Charles: Future agenda items...when do you anticipate bringing TPAC back up as a topic
Jeanne: I have new info on
that!
... before we move on, any more updates on the project
plan?
<chaals> make a new github issue for silver
Jeanne: need to figure out a labeling system and...we need to figure out how to work on Github
<chaals> [note that issues are for the whole repository, so if you want to make an issue on a particular document, please name it in the issue]
<jeanne> ACTION: Jeanne to contact the Github experts to get help setting up a workflow for Github.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-182 - Contact the github experts to get help setting up a workflow for github. [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2018-06-01].
Charles: Fine having it in github if it's more convenient.
Jeanne: Eventually need to move into Gihub because that's where all the W3C tools are. How quickly do we move there? I'm willing to try jumping in for the requirement document, but just right now we're not as prepared.
Luis: And Github is more transparent.
Charles: It's immediately public.
Jeanne: Provided you know the
github.io address
... we can tie anything in Github into the Community Group and
publish on CG page linked to Github
... and that sends out notifications, etc.
... There are a lot of advantage of moving to github. We just
need to make sure that we can use it and that people that want
to participate can also use it.
... I have an action item from last Tuesday to contact people
at MS to see if we can get some insight into what they did for
MSDN because htye have a custom accessible front end.
... Angela are you connected to that?
Angela: I used to be, but I can reach out to someone I know.
Jeanne: We'll talk again on tuesday and hopefully these documents will be more visible.
~general weekend well wishing~
<jeanne> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0By6VFGAP_eGYci1BMG9fakZ1Q0ZpN283VEtiX203djN2VHBB
<jeanne> trackbot, end meeting
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