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08:23:50 <SimonCox_> meeting dcat sub-group 2018-05-17
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08:27:55 <SimonCox_> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.05.17
08:29:07 <SimonCox_> webex here https://csiro.webex.com/csiro/j.php?MTID=m90c9cd8d1e6b406fe4b68e5cf0c09d78
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08:32:07 <SimonCox_> regrets: jaro, Makx, Lars
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08:34:34 <NicholasCar> Simon/Armin, can you please SMS me?
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08:40:43 <NicholasCar> AndreaPerego: you should have received a private IRC message from Simon
08:43:14 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
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08:44:31 <NicholasCar> (can't scribe as may have to leave)
08:44:38 <roba> scribenick: roba
08:45:01 <SimonCox_> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.05.17
08:45:49 <SimonCox_> Topic: approave minutes of last meeting
08:45:57 <SimonCox_> https://www.w3.org/2018/05/02-dxwgdcat-minutes
08:45:58 <arminhaller> s/approave/approve
08:46:00 <alejandra> +1
08:46:03 <SimonCox_> +1
08:46:09 <roba> +0
08:46:09 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1
08:46:11 <DaveBrowning> +1
08:46:15 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
08:46:34 <PWinstanley> +1
08:46:36 <SimonCox_> resolved minutes of last meeting approved
08:46:59 <roba> resolved: minutes of last meeting approved
08:47:05 <SimonCox_> topic: GitHub project for DCAT
08:47:14 <SimonCox_> https://www.w3.org/2018/05/02-dxwgdcat-minutes
08:47:34 <SimonCox_> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/projects/3
08:47:35 <PWinstanley> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/projects/3
08:48:28 <SimonCox_> topic: report from f2f3
08:49:03 <roba> * please flag anything not in the minutes from F@F so I can scribe it - otherwsie refer to minutes
08:50:33 <PWinstanley> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018May/0139.html
08:51:00 <AndreaPerego> Not from my side.
08:51:09 <DaveBrowning> Nothing from me
08:51:21 <SimonCox_> topic: Proposed solution for Expanded scope of dcat:Catalog
08:51:33 <SimonCox_> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Cataloguing-data-services#chosen-solution
08:52:14 <roba> f2f report covered in relevant minutes. no further discussion.
08:52:25 <alejandra> +q
08:52:28 <AndreaPerego> q+
08:52:32 <roba> q+
08:52:34 <SimonCox_> ack alejandra
08:53:03 <roba> alejandra: can resummarise what was covered in the F2F..
08:53:39 <roba> s/can/can you/
08:54:19 <SimonCox_> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-service-simon/dcat/
08:55:07 <alejandra> I can't see the Fig 1 in that link
08:55:14 <roba> SimonCox_: "big issue" discussed was the superclass of Dataservice, Dataset - needed to capture current use of dct:hasPart
08:55:28 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-service-simon/dcat/#vocabulary-overview
08:55:49 <alejandra> I can see it in the link that riccardoAlbertoni sent
08:55:50 <alejandra> thanks
08:56:18 <SimonCox_> ack AndreaPerego
08:57:28 <roba> AndreaPerego: looking at other standards ISO etc, have a generic notion of "resource" for catalogued item - maybe better aligned with other communities
08:58:17 <roba> ... accessService - we need to discuss this - not sure this is same as dct:accessURL
08:58:58 <DaveBrowning> q+
08:59:49 <roba>  SimonCox_: a pointer to a distribution, which is implemented in RDF as a URI, but this is implementation, not the conceptual model which should not state URL - its an objectproperty from a purist perspective.
09:00:40 <roba> AndreaPerego: need to distinguish difference between pointer to a Distribution, vs pointer to the service.
09:01:25 <roba> SimonCox_: accessURL does make sense for a parameterised URL as a property, (DatatypeProperty)
09:01:40 <SimonCox_> accessURL could be the actual parameterized query for a distribution
09:02:22 <roba> AndreaPerego: we can have a URI for a description of the service, c.f. an OGC Capabilities endpoint
09:04:00 <SimonCox_> q?
09:04:04 <AndreaPerego> Example of WMS capabilities: http://gmis.jrc.ec.europa.eu/webservices/9km/wms/meris/?dataset=kd490
09:04:35 <alejandra> thanks - this is the generic link of OGS standars: http://www.opengeospatial.org/docs/is
09:04:39 <roba> SimonCox_: notes that Andrea is talking about a specific example where services deliver XML metadata as a default if a specific method is not invoked by parameters
09:05:01 <AndreaPerego> s/OGS/OGC/
09:05:51 <roba> ... q to AndreaPerego about use of dc:type property
09:06:33 <roba> AndreaPerego: important to have this, placeholder because catalog can hold other types of things
09:06:33 <PWinstanley> q?
09:06:39 <PWinstanley> q+
09:06:45 <SimonCox_> ack roba
09:07:39 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> q+ CataloguedItem/Resource is an extension point for DCAT profiles
09:08:11 <SimonCox_> q?
09:08:15 <SimonCox_> ack DaveBrowning
09:08:15 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> q+
09:09:25 <roba> roba: Makx's example showed DCAT-AP profile catalagues as a psuedo resource - which raises question if distribution property needs a super-property that the common superclass has.
09:10:41 <roba> PWinstanley: notes usage of AccessURL to point to "query instance" - whereas service perhaps points to a service description
09:10:42 <SimonCox_> q?
09:10:49 <SimonCox_> ack PWinstanley
09:11:20 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, make logs world
09:11:21 <roba> s/PWinstanley/DaveBrowning/
09:11:29 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
09:11:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/05/17-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
09:11:47 <NicholasCar> Rob keyboard!
09:11:50 <roba> ... examples like Swagger/OAS as well as OGC descriptions
09:12:47 <roba> PWinstanley: want to talk about left hand side of diagram.. if a catalogue is within a catalogue isnt it a catalgoued item
09:13:10 <SimonCox_> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-service-simon/dcat/#vocabulary-overview
09:13:25 <roba> SimonCox_: there is a long snaky connect that in fact state this..
09:13:43 <alejandra> Still in the chosen solution, Catalog is a subclass of CatalogItem https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Cataloguing-data-services#chosen-solution
09:13:57 <roba> ...via Dataset
09:14:25 <alejandra> We need to harmonise between American / British spelling of Catalog / Catalogue
09:14:27 <SimonCox_> q?
09:14:30 <roba> PWinstanley: please update key diagram :-)
09:14:32 <SimonCox_> ack Stijn_Goedertier_AIV
09:15:04 <AndreaPerego> chair: SimonCox
09:15:08 <AndreaPerego> meeting: 	DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference
09:15:11 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
09:15:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/05/17-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
09:15:37 <roba> Stijn_Goedertier_AIV: Good solution to make DCAT more generic.
09:15:48 <roba> * sorry missed that point :-(
09:16:16 <SimonCox_> q?
09:16:31 <roba> ...implies superclass of Distribution
09:17:13 <roba> ...example via may have multiple formats
09:17:21 <roba> q+
09:17:31 <DaveBrowning> +1 on harmonisation, though W3C website has example of both catalogue and catalog (also harmonise/harmonize)
09:17:58 <AndreaPerego> I think the rule is to use American English.
09:18:14 <SimonCox_> http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#section-7
09:18:15 <AndreaPerego> Therefore: "catalog", "harmonize", etc.
09:18:42 <AndreaPerego> s/the rule/the W3C rule/
09:18:56 <roba> ...also software - i.e. distribution can be used for other types (not just Dataset)
09:19:22 <SimonCox_> q?
09:19:31 <roba> SimonCox_: takes point about extionsion point - not sure if agree with examples
09:19:33 <DaveBrowning> That may be the rule....the practice is a bit variable if you search the site.... But good point, we should be consistent.
09:19:46 <SimonCox_> Interpret dataset as 'work', or 'text'
09:20:06 <SimonCox_> ack roba
09:21:08 <SimonCox_> FRBR would also allow for screenplay, video to be representations of a movie!
09:22:03 <AndreaPerego> q+ to say that the W3C Manual of Style is here: https://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/
09:22:23 <roba> roba: notes that superclass of Distribution, multiple values of dct:format matches same pattern in profileDesc vocab
09:22:53 <SimonCox_> q?
09:22:57 <SimonCox_> ack AndreaPerego
09:22:57 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to say that the W3C Manual of Style is here: https://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/
09:24:09 <roba> AndreaPerego: re chat conversation on English usage... rule is use of american english.
09:25:25 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
09:25:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/05/17-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
09:27:09 <roba> SimonCox_: as convener judgement is that this issue is important to make progress on other issues easier
09:27:12 <alejandra> I don't have comments on the model as it seems good to me - it would be useful to develop some examples / instances describing a real service catalogue
09:27:16 <riccardoAlbertoni>  /me i am happy we are progressing, no objection from my side,  I am waiting for a couple of resolution to vote  ;)
09:27:49 <alejandra> one point that would be good to discuss is what subclasses we need
09:28:28 <roba> ...requests that implementation suggestion in branch be reviewed (simon please add branch name)
09:28:53 <roba> ... is the consensus that we wrap it an submit as PR so it appears in draft?
09:29:10 <SimonCox_> q?
09:29:17 <roba> q+
09:29:19 <alejandra> +q
09:29:24 <SimonCox_> ack roba
09:30:05 <SimonCox_> ack alejandra
09:30:26 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to alejandra
09:30:43 <roba> roba" would like to see superclass of Distribution sooner rather than later
09:31:19 <PWinstanley> +1 to alejandra - we need to keep in mind links of all our work to use cases, requirements, and getting real-world illustrations
09:31:24 <roba> alejandra: would be good to have examples, particularly services.  And how it would be queried (in terms of paths)
09:31:26 <SimonCox_> 1. lets see one of AndreaPerego 's examples modeled this way
09:31:32 <riccardoAlbertoni> s//me/\me
09:31:42 <PWinstanley> q+
09:31:42 <SimonCox_> 2. lets see if it support sensible queries
09:31:47 <SimonCox_> ack PWinstanley
09:34:35 <SimonCox_> action: AndreaPerego to find example of catalogued service
09:34:59 <AndreaPerego> https://www.w3.org/2016/11/sdsvoc/SDSVoc16_paper_27#modelling-service-api-based-data-access
09:35:05 <SimonCox_> action: SimonCox_ to convert example to proposed rdf
09:35:30 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
09:35:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/05/17-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning
09:35:39 <riccardoAlbertoni> bye
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09:35:53 <NicholasCar> present-
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09:36:53 <AndreaPerego> s/meeting dcat sub-group 2018-05-17//
09:37:05 <AndreaPerego> s/AndreaPerego: you should have received a private IRC message from Simon//
09:37:08 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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