<SimonCox> rrsagent make logs public
<SimonCox> rrsagent: make logs public
<SimonCox> present?
<SimonCox> zakim: who is present?
<SimonCox> rrsagent: who is present?
<SimonCox> rrsagent: present?
scribe NicholasCar
<SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.04.04
<alejandra> could we maybe discuss the pending pull request: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/183 ?
<alejandra> ok, thanks
<alejandra> SimonCox: we can slot that topic in after we heard from Rob
<SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2018/03/28-dxwgdcat-minutes
<alejandra> 0 (wasn't present)
<SimonCox> +1
<Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
<DaveBrowning> +1
<AndreaPerego> +1
+1
<roba> +0
Resolved: confirm munutes for last week
<alejandra> I'm on leave and not sure if I will be able to join (depending on wifi availability)
I have nothing particular on
<roba> maybe skip next week?
no!
no!
Action: Simon to contact Peter to chair next week
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SimonCox: please draft material in wiki spaces
SimonCox: collaboration process will be explained better soon (today)
<SimonCox> Please use https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/DCAT-Profiles-Topics
RobA: only a mall group, Reuben, Lars and him, mostly about HTTP headers
<roba> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/tree/roba-profile/dcat/rdf
RobA: has introduced a profile.ttl and profile_examples.ttl ontology and examples of profiling
SimonCox: suggests use of wiki to introduce profiles work not in RDF (accessible)
<Makx> preent+ Makx
<alejandra> NicholasCar: first to say that the profiling work is important for W3C in general to address it
<alejandra> ... I propose to separate out from the DCAT work in its own module
<alejandra> ... I've written out a summary
<alejandra> ... I've sent it to kcoyle and she has sent me comments
<alejandra> ... I haven't read it in detail but she suggests that separating out could be done in the F2F
<alejandra> ... we've proposed a few profiles (e.g. DCAT 2014 as a profile of the revised DCAT)
<alejandra> ... three different implementations happening anyway
<alejandra> ... RobA's ontology
<alejandra> ... I started to write up what is a profile and how to use it
(thanks for scribing Alejandra!)
RobA: profiling is metadata about profiling, not a methodology
<alejandra> is there a link to that ontology?
RobA: doesn't intend to replace a constraints language
<alejandra> is it in the branch you pointed out?
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/tree/roba-profile/dcat/rdf
link to ont above
<roba> i will put up a wiki page too
I was going to suggest work on a wiki page as next step regardless
Action: RobA to extablish a profiles wiki page
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<SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/183
SimonCox: the pull adds in red boxes to the draft
<SimonCox> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-catalog-scope-simon/dcat/index.html
SimonCox: inclusions in document after issue, are these ok?
alejandra: changes to text only and they are useful so should be ok
<AndreaPerego> I think that, formally, we need a resolution from the DCAT group, and after ask a vote (via mail) from the WG
Jaroslav_Pullmann: scope extension is significat, should be included
<SimonCox> Proposed: accept PR 183 for FPWD
<alejandra> +1
<DaveBrowning> +1
0
<AndreaPerego> 0
<roba> 0
<SimonCox> +1
<Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
<roba> * nick pass scribe baton to me when you wish...
Resolved: accept PR 183 for FPWD
(fine rob, unless you really want to do this!)
<roba> * not really :-) thanks
<SimonCox> domain https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/104 - MakxDekkers
Action: SimonCox to report pull req decision to Karen
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<SimonCox> Makx not on audio?
<SimonCox> do this first then: range https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/114 - NicholasCar
<alejandra> NicholasCar: I had promised to present to the group more thoughts and the outcome of having a relaxed range would be
<alejandra> ... I've looked at ODRL v2
<alejandra> ... no mention of licenses in ODRL v2 but my understanding is that would fall into Agreement
<alejandra> ... I've looked into common licenses and started to break them down into their parts
<alejandra> ... it makes sense to express licenses in ODRL v2 way
<alejandra> NicholasCar: I did a small extension of ODRL 2 to add License
<Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to note POE WG publish BPs which include a section on how to represent standard licences - http://w3c.github.io/poe/bp/
<alejandra> NicholasCar: I was thinking on contacting ODRL people
<SimonCox> (Renato Iannella is in Brisbane!)
<Jaroslav_Pullmann_> Andrea, do you have a link to the mentioned work of the ODRL group?
<AndreaPerego> http://w3c.github.io/poe/bp/
<Jaroslav_Pullmann_> thanks!
SimonCox: this is a test of the completed ODRL2 work
<alejandra> Jaroslav_Pullmann_: what is the objective?
<alejandra> NicholasCar: allow a machine express a license
<alejandra> ... automatically surface certain message that people might need to agree to
<alejandra> ... restrict access to data
Jaroslav_Pullmann: will be meeting ODRL@ colleagues next week in Vienna
<AndreaPerego> https://www.w3.org/2018/vocabws/
<SimonCox> NicholasCar: will be setting up register of common licenses
<SimonCox> ... will allow us to have confidence that there will be something for DCAT predicates to point to
<SimonCox> SimonCox: so we can develop the predicates (use, access, obligations) in DCAT
<SimonCox> makx: development of license details is outside scope of DCAT
AndreaPerego: we should make ODRL2 group aware of our interests since they are preparing a Best Practice document
AndreaPerego: we can delegate relevant work to us to ODRL2 group
AndreaPerego: we have or can do a similar delegation for data quality to DQV
<SimonCox> AndreaPerego: delegate like we also do for data quality
Jaroslav_Pullmann: we need to better cater for different clients (automated clients)
roba: the concern seems to be the attachement point of dataset -> license, not license details
Makx: licenses & rights out of scope for this group, agrees we need to know how to link to them, has laready stated you can use dct:LicenseDocument or odrl:Policy
<alejandra> +1 to Makx's comment
<SimonCox> odrl:hasPolicy is the appropriate super-property, DCAT may need a taxonomy underneath that
<SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/104
SimonCox: we appear to have reached concensus
Makx: (summarising) one SHOULD put it on Distribution, one MAY put it on Datasets but SHOULD NOT put it on Dataset and not Distribution and if there are multiple, there may be a conflict
SimonCox: can close the issue when resulting changes have been made in doc & RDF
Action: Makx will try to do these changes via Pull Request
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SimonCox: we (editors) will provides notes for this
AndreaPerego: we will need to wait until after the FPWD to accept this PR - SimonCox agrees
<SimonCox> proposed: close issue 104, when makx has completed action
<SimonCox> +1
<AndreaPerego> +1
<DaveBrowning> +1
+1
<Jaroslav_Pullmann_> +1
<Makx> +1
Resolved: close issue 104, when makx has completed action
<alejandra> +1
<Jaroslav_Pullmann_> bye!
thanks Andrea!
<alejandra> thanks, and bye!
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