<scribe> scribenick: TallTed
<gkellogg> https://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-iiwxxvi-26-2018a-tickets-39785360083
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19Ndqc5pLsTu2ZmP4Wy7OlMOmskQFHPh28sMjW3ugsww/edit#gid=0
[ now planned to be Thursday, April 5-6, following IIW ]
<burn> I believe meeting is Thu afternoon plus Friday
<burn> Thu to overlap, Fri for us
varn: et al, general discussion about F2F, now planned to be Thurs-Fri, April 5-6, following IIW
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vc-wg/2017Dec/att-0016/SubjectHolder.jpeg
varn: working on review
agropper: sent a list of use
cases from health care, asking for some help with generating
some more specificity in use case doc
... list at
https://www.w3.org/mid/CANYRo8hgxPn1+AysV5px83Jfn=ja__noES2TT_1PgHjoLk1cSg@mail.gmail.com
<burn> Adrian's email: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vc-wg/2018Jan/0010.html
varn: for next week, hoping that
a helper will contact agropper
... any other volunteers to look at Subject != Holder for their
pet cases?
JoeAndrieu: has a very full
plate, not sure how best to engage on this
... challenges are scope and depth
... we've got 84 use cases in eval doc. which of these are
worth focused time?
... level of specificity is very low so far; need to do some
deep-dives
varn: could adding some of these as exemplars in data model help?
JoeAndrieu: including some of these as non-normative examples is a good path, but which ~5 should those be?
<Zakim> burn, you wanted to discuss what we are after here
burn: given the diagram, does the
set of use cases we have cover the diagram at the level of
specificity you see as important?
... if not, are those use cases covered in the data
model?
... if anything is missing, suggest that now. else, we consider
the model and cases good.
JoeAndrieu: not clear what "addressed sufficiently" means. e.g., marriage certificate may not be...
varn: concrete answer of "addressed sufficiently" is -- if the existing handling will cause an objection when we come to PR/CR/etc., then it's not sufficiently addressed. if no objection forthcoming, then it is.
<Zakim> manu, you wanted to ask if we can focus on one use case and see if we can express it.
<dlongley> i suggest we make a github issue that says "how do we represent this use case in the data model"
<burn> +1 dlongley
<dlongley> and then we try and answer that in comments.
manu: best way to work through
this is to pick a concrete example (e.g., marriage certificate)
and try to express it with the data model
... if there's a use case someone thinks is not covered, that
should be raised to the group for such workup
... in the end, we have a number of examples
varn: is the question of marriage certificate about full lifecycle, or a static point therein?
<burn> joe needs to give us a specific use case, I believe
JoeAndrieu: deep dive would be
full lifecycle. in any case, focus should be on the "sticky
wicket" part, not the easy part.
... maybe focus is on after-divorce, need for kid to prove
parentage
<varn> subject does not equal holder where a spouse asserts a person is their spouse for purposes of getting workplace benefits
<nage> I'm more interested in the case where the parties using the credential don't have equal rights, like the case of the children needing a credential about the parent's marriage (or former marriage) -- though this case is interesting too
JoeAndrieu: will write up
marriage license sticky wicket
... from process, would like to find 5 other use cases with
sticky wickets
<liam> [Liam thinks about people who have to get a marriage cert amended, e.g. as a result of gender reassignment!]
manu: additional point -- need to make sure we're covering most common cases well, not focus entirely on corner cases
varn: key points are to whom the claims are being presented (employers, schools, housing)
manu: this is about status check, as in "drivers license has been revoked"
JoeAndrieu: can propose this as a paper topic at RWoT in addition to CCG
varn: we're asking for people to submit thoughts/requests for improvement to liam, and for liam to review as well
ChristopherA: based on last week's hackathon, people couldn't figure out where existing libraries were, nor what their states were if located
liam: if we have implementations, tell me, and I'll add them
manu: there are none yet. maybe
in next few months.
... correction, we have some basic implementations, but they're
VERY nascent, not production worthy in any way
liam: always a tradeoff in WGs. implementations of draft specs get shipped, and implementors get upset about having to change to bring into compliance.
manu: big warnings "this is a draft, don't put implementation into production" are the best we can do
<varn> TallTed
<varn> Sorry. The nicknames confuse me
<manu> TallTed: The WG page needs work - it's hard to find charter, work that has been done, etc. We should fix that.
<manu> Please, no wiki - we don't need another source of information...
<manu> TallTed: Github puts up a lot of barriers to people that are not coders
<manu> +1 to TallTed
<manu> TallTed: If you look at lots of WG over past 10 years, you'll find basic structure to all home pages, which happen to be in the wiki
<burn> Liam, can you please update the home page to include what Ted asked for?
<manu> TallTed: Link to charter, link to things we're working on, current status, products that have been finalized, chairs, participation links, etc.
<manu> Varn: So, a basic home page.
<dlehn> preset+ David_Lehn
<liam> [i can move the link to the charter to the top, or copy it, and if people send me info abot products will add it for sure]
varn: we have a growing list of issues. folks need to look at these and provide feedback; we can't just grow the list indefinitely.
<Zakim> burn, you wanted to ask specifically for volunteers to 'own' issues
burn: what we'd like is for particular people to volunteer to drive particular issues to closure
<dlongley> closed this one: https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/71:)
burn: self-assign or ask chairs to assign you to the issue. your job is not necessarily to solve the issue yourself, but to push toward that solution by pulling others into action...
<burn> Thanks dlongley
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