<joanie> agenda: be done
<scribe> Scribe: Stefan
<joanie> https://rawgit.com/w3c/graphics-aria/master/
<joanie> https://rawgit.com/w3c/graphics-aam/master/
joanie: here are links to latest
editor drafts
... there were recent changes
... everybody reviewed, submitted changes etc.
... we shoul do cfc, but we need new WD out of the door
... any comments?
... I will send later out today a CFC
... we also need CFC about Transistion to CR
Joanie: what about tristate isssue?
Matt: (looking it up)
... the question is: what happens for aria-pressed for
tristate?
... spec table seems to be ambiguous here
... do we allow toggle buttons? if so then I propose new
wording for aria-pressed
<joanie> A value of mixed means that the values of more than one item controlled by the button do not all share the same value.
Joanie: state is not binary
Matt: we have example in the authoring practices
<joanie> Toggle buttons require a full press-and-release cycle to change their value.
Joanie: pushbutton is different compared to tri-state button
Matt: sentence above explains what it meant
Joanie: do you agree that this limitation should't be there in the wording?
Matt: next sentences are
explaining and specifiying it better
... I don't think whole button down can be separately handled
in ARIA without extra events
Joanie: proposed change that fixes it?
Matt: I will take ownership taking text changes
Joanie: tha's editorial
Matt: maybe we have checks for aria-pressed
Joanie: was tested in 1.0 cycle
Matt: then it is editorial
Matt: was not supported on
menuitems in ARIA 1.1
... no state signaling was possible
... on touch devices
... in APG we have used aria-expanded=true on menuitems
... simple spec change allows it now to be on menuitems, sanity
check reveals whole bunch of other cases that are maybe
inappropriate
... all patterns using aria-expanded puts it on controlling
element
... disclosure expand/collapsed not in AT tree when it is
collapsed
... what if there is NO controlling element ????
... I've never actually seen that
... but maybe we disallow it .. need discussion about this
Bryan: there may be hieraric effects using aria-expaned=true
Matt: I am thinking of other
roles than menuitem
... I went through all roles supporting it and not
... we should remove for some and add support for it to
others
... button, combo, listbox, treeitem, menuitem have use of
it
... remove: alert dialog, cell, link, menuitemcheckbox,
tooltip..
... and some unclear things
... for example alert role
... is this editorial change?
... annother one is role=article
... you can do this withoit controllable element, but even with
would this be legal making the container itsself
interactive?
STefan: we need a concept for interactive containers
Matt: do we need to require separate visual focusable items in the container?
Bryan: we should avoud focus to
regions
... this will fail on touchscreen devices
Matt: you can focus by swipe, not
directly
... interactive focusable widget or not was the line we
drew
... regarding focusability
... can you apply an aria state to a static role for
interoperability?
Bryan: inheritance may occur
which destroys things
... aria-expanded on a region will cause also checkboxes to get
expanded state
Matt: focusable container must
have a node in the accessibility tree
... we don't actually prohibit this currently
... we coud test it and make it work with AT or can make spec
more restrictive
... one idea is addig property only when element is
focusable
Joanie: people with expertise what to do .. we need consensus
Matt: this discussion is extremly helpful
Joanie: put it to task force :)
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