IRC log of poe on 2017-10-30

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Meeting: Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 30 October 2017
12:22:14 [ivan]
Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20171030
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ivan has changed the topic to: Agenda 2017-10-30: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20171030
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Chair: Ben
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Regrets+ Linda
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Present+
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Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20171030
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Chair: Renato
12:53:43 [renato]
Regrets: Linda, Ben
12:56:01 [ivan]
present+
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scribenick: CarolineB
13:07:21 [renato]
https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20171030
13:07:33 [CarolineB]
Topic: agenda minutes from 16th
13:07:37 [renato]
https://www.w3.org/2017/10/16-poe-minutes
13:07:53 [CarolineB]
minutes agreed
13:08:05 [renato]
https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/actions/49
13:08:08 [CarolineB]
topic: action 49
13:08:11 [ivan]
Topic: Actions
13:08:25 [renato]
https://github.com/w3c/poe/blob/gh-pages/test/test-regime.md
13:08:50 [victor]
present+
13:09:12 [renato]
https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Evaluator
13:09:14 [CarolineB]
renato: Ben is going to add some narrative re how the testin gmodel works
13:09:14 [victor]
Hi! I just connected now and I must confess that (due to medical reasons) I could not do the tasks I had been assigned to.
13:09:24 [victor]
I expect to catch up in the next few days
13:09:44 [CarolineB]
renato: he's modified the evaluator page. Still an issue over example 22
13:10:00 [CarolineB]
... re active/non-active inconsistency
13:11:38 [michaelS]
q+
13:11:49 [CarolineB]
... thinks Thompson Reuter is implementing using active for actions
13:12:33 [CarolineB]
michaelS: what does an implementer compare thier result to to claim a test has passed or failed
13:13:06 [CarolineB]
... is there a time limit? Expect test period closed mid November
13:13:52 [CarolineB]
ivan: this means testing goes to at least the 15th. Nov. If we don't have enough implementations then we have to wait
13:14:06 [CarolineB]
... charter runs out end of year - so we need enough implementations by beginning of December
13:14:39 [CarolineB]
michaelS: so I will tell IPTC they need to return result by end Nov if htey are interested
13:14:47 [CarolineB]
s/htey/they
13:17:41 [CarolineB]
carolineB: our implementation is goign to be hard by end Nov
13:17:55 [CarolineB]
renato: asks Victor about timeline
13:18:12 [CarolineB]
victor: needs to see how much to adapt to cope with test cases
13:19:35 [CarolineB]
renato: asks victor if he's ok understanding the outcomes of the tests as implementor
13:19:51 [CarolineB]
victor: needs to look into this to speak certainly
13:20:47 [CarolineB]
michaelS: looks like a joint action between IPTC and myself
13:21:37 [CarolineB]
... for example 23 I took the rightmost. I followed the IM
13:22:07 [CarolineB]
... my implementation can't deliver the inbetween states. Some things are ambiguous
13:23:19 [CarolineB]
renato: wonders if there is a missing column in example 21
13:25:21 [CarolineB]
michaelS: who do we expect to have test implementations?
13:25:36 [CarolineB]
... should we ask everyone on the email list?
13:26:02 [CarolineB]
reanto: so far there are only three - Michael, TR and Victors
13:26:09 [CarolineB]
s/reanto/renato
13:26:11 [renato]
https://w3c.github.io/poe/test/cr-exit
13:27:33 [CarolineB]
van: from a proces spov each feature needs to be implamented by at least two implementors
13:27:42 [CarolineB]
... not everyone needs to do everything
13:27:55 [CarolineB]
s/proces spov/process pov
13:28:33 [CarolineB]
victor: will be using evaluation for at least some parts
13:29:27 [CarolineB]
renato: because we use black box, we just need to make sure we can return that a constraint has been satisfied
13:31:35 [CarolineB]
renato: working out if TR and Michael + Victor makes the necessary set of 2 each
13:31:56 [CarolineB]
michaelS: certainly want to see all headings in the examples
13:33:15 [CarolineB]
renato: has been trying with Ben to establish the algorithm to get active/non-active in the examples
13:33:42 [CarolineB]
... there are some issues with example 22
13:34:33 [CarolineB]
michaelS: still some queries especially with example 23
13:35:03 [CarolineB]
reanto: will speak to Ben especially given time pressure
13:35:09 [CarolineB]
s/reanto/renato
13:36:31 [renato]
https://github.com/w3c/poe/projects/2
13:36:56 [CarolineB]
topic: GitHub project issues
13:37:14 [CarolineB]
renato: am closing these gradually
13:37:24 [CarolineB]
micahelS: what has happened to XML schema?
13:37:55 [CarolineB]
renato: we are trying to minimise changes here. It's not so useful for implementation
13:38:33 [CarolineB]
... and we dont expect any new implementations to sue it
13:39:03 [CarolineB]
michaelS: but current implementors are using it, so would be good to have it
13:39:10 [renato]
https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/276
13:39:16 [CarolineB]
renato: has already fixed the changes that were asked for
13:39:36 [CarolineB]
michaelS: take a look - great
13:40:08 [CarolineB]
topic: any other issues
13:40:16 [CarolineB]
None!
13:41:09 [ivan]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/30-poe-minutes.html ivan
13:41:17 [ivan]
trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
13:41:17 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been renato, ivan, victor
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/30-poe-minutes.html trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items