IRC log of poe on 2017-10-30
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- Meeting: Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 30 October 2017
- 12:22:14 [ivan]
- Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20171030
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- ivan has changed the topic to: Agenda 2017-10-30: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20171030
- 12:22:46 [ivan]
- Chair: Ben
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- Regrets+ Linda
- 12:44:45 [renato]
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- Present+
- 12:53:25 [renato]
- Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20171030
- 12:53:37 [renato]
- Chair: Renato
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- Regrets: Linda, Ben
- 12:56:01 [ivan]
- present+
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- 13:04:36 [michaelS]
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- 13:06:44 [victor]
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- 13:07:12 [ivan]
- scribenick: CarolineB
- 13:07:21 [renato]
- https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20171030
- 13:07:33 [CarolineB]
- Topic: agenda minutes from 16th
- 13:07:37 [renato]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/10/16-poe-minutes
- 13:07:53 [CarolineB]
- minutes agreed
- 13:08:05 [renato]
- https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/actions/49
- 13:08:08 [CarolineB]
- topic: action 49
- 13:08:11 [ivan]
- Topic: Actions
- 13:08:25 [renato]
- https://github.com/w3c/poe/blob/gh-pages/test/test-regime.md
- 13:08:50 [victor]
- present+
- 13:09:12 [renato]
- https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Evaluator
- 13:09:14 [CarolineB]
- renato: Ben is going to add some narrative re how the testin gmodel works
- 13:09:14 [victor]
- Hi! I just connected now and I must confess that (due to medical reasons) I could not do the tasks I had been assigned to.
- 13:09:24 [victor]
- I expect to catch up in the next few days
- 13:09:44 [CarolineB]
- renato: he's modified the evaluator page. Still an issue over example 22
- 13:10:00 [CarolineB]
- ... re active/non-active inconsistency
- 13:11:38 [michaelS]
- q+
- 13:11:49 [CarolineB]
- ... thinks Thompson Reuter is implementing using active for actions
- 13:12:33 [CarolineB]
- michaelS: what does an implementer compare thier result to to claim a test has passed or failed
- 13:13:06 [CarolineB]
- ... is there a time limit? Expect test period closed mid November
- 13:13:52 [CarolineB]
- ivan: this means testing goes to at least the 15th. Nov. If we don't have enough implementations then we have to wait
- 13:14:06 [CarolineB]
- ... charter runs out end of year - so we need enough implementations by beginning of December
- 13:14:39 [CarolineB]
- michaelS: so I will tell IPTC they need to return result by end Nov if htey are interested
- 13:14:47 [CarolineB]
- s/htey/they
- 13:17:41 [CarolineB]
- carolineB: our implementation is goign to be hard by end Nov
- 13:17:55 [CarolineB]
- renato: asks Victor about timeline
- 13:18:12 [CarolineB]
- victor: needs to see how much to adapt to cope with test cases
- 13:19:35 [CarolineB]
- renato: asks victor if he's ok understanding the outcomes of the tests as implementor
- 13:19:51 [CarolineB]
- victor: needs to look into this to speak certainly
- 13:20:47 [CarolineB]
- michaelS: looks like a joint action between IPTC and myself
- 13:21:37 [CarolineB]
- ... for example 23 I took the rightmost. I followed the IM
- 13:22:07 [CarolineB]
- ... my implementation can't deliver the inbetween states. Some things are ambiguous
- 13:23:19 [CarolineB]
- renato: wonders if there is a missing column in example 21
- 13:25:21 [CarolineB]
- michaelS: who do we expect to have test implementations?
- 13:25:36 [CarolineB]
- ... should we ask everyone on the email list?
- 13:26:02 [CarolineB]
- reanto: so far there are only three - Michael, TR and Victors
- 13:26:09 [CarolineB]
- s/reanto/renato
- 13:26:11 [renato]
- https://w3c.github.io/poe/test/cr-exit
- 13:27:33 [CarolineB]
- van: from a proces spov each feature needs to be implamented by at least two implementors
- 13:27:42 [CarolineB]
- ... not everyone needs to do everything
- 13:27:55 [CarolineB]
- s/proces spov/process pov
- 13:28:33 [CarolineB]
- victor: will be using evaluation for at least some parts
- 13:29:27 [CarolineB]
- renato: because we use black box, we just need to make sure we can return that a constraint has been satisfied
- 13:31:35 [CarolineB]
- renato: working out if TR and Michael + Victor makes the necessary set of 2 each
- 13:31:56 [CarolineB]
- michaelS: certainly want to see all headings in the examples
- 13:33:15 [CarolineB]
- renato: has been trying with Ben to establish the algorithm to get active/non-active in the examples
- 13:33:42 [CarolineB]
- ... there are some issues with example 22
- 13:34:33 [CarolineB]
- michaelS: still some queries especially with example 23
- 13:35:03 [CarolineB]
- reanto: will speak to Ben especially given time pressure
- 13:35:09 [CarolineB]
- s/reanto/renato
- 13:36:31 [renato]
- https://github.com/w3c/poe/projects/2
- 13:36:56 [CarolineB]
- topic: GitHub project issues
- 13:37:14 [CarolineB]
- renato: am closing these gradually
- 13:37:24 [CarolineB]
- micahelS: what has happened to XML schema?
- 13:37:55 [CarolineB]
- renato: we are trying to minimise changes here. It's not so useful for implementation
- 13:38:33 [CarolineB]
- ... and we dont expect any new implementations to sue it
- 13:39:03 [CarolineB]
- michaelS: but current implementors are using it, so would be good to have it
- 13:39:10 [renato]
- https://github.com/w3c/poe/issues/276
- 13:39:16 [CarolineB]
- renato: has already fixed the changes that were asked for
- 13:39:36 [CarolineB]
- michaelS: take a look - great
- 13:40:08 [CarolineB]
- topic: any other issues
- 13:40:16 [CarolineB]
- None!
- 13:41:09 [ivan]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:41:09 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/30-poe-minutes.html ivan
- 13:41:17 [ivan]
- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
- 13:41:17 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been renato, ivan, victor
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/30-poe-minutes.html trackbot
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see no action items