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<allanj> http://blog.freedomscientific.com/2017/10/25/important-information-for-users-of-mozilla-firefox/
<shawn> :-)
test
<scribe> Scribe: erich
<laura> Proposed WCAG 2.1 SC Techniques: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Proposed_WCAG_2.1_SC_Techniques
<laura> Allowing for Spacing Override: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Allowing_for_Spacing_Override
<allanj> Jim will add review techniques to next week agenda
<laura> Understanding Content on Hover or Focus: https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/content-on-hover-or-focus/understanding/21/content-on-hover-or-focus.html
<laura> All of the understanding docs are linked from: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Accepted_WCAG_2.1_SC
SR: I broke up the 3 different
conditions. SC has morphed from original.
... Components portion was removed, seemingly for overlap with
2.1.1
... Would like to propose a change to make things clearer
... Second bullet about Hover can stay the same, but would
propose changing to make the new content Hoverable
... Also on last bullet, propose removing bit about focus and
make it about persistence to reduce overlap with 2.1.1
JA: Suggests adding pictures
SR: Plans to use tool-tip example and another example with larger target and other with content over the top of it
<allanj> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Metadata_On_Hover
JA: any specific websites as bad examples?
SR: Suggests gmail as possible example of tooltips that are not hoverable
JA: Suggests taking offline following the AG call
<allanj> jim - review Understanding Hover next week
<allanj> close item 1
<allanj> close item 2
<allanj> At least 5 conforming Web sites 1 are available, of which
<allanj> At least four conform at level AA,
<allanj> At least one conforms at level AAA
JA: For conformance testing, AG
would like at least 5 conforming websites, of which 4 are AA
and at least 1 AAA
... Anyone know of any AAA conformant websites?
LC: Lainey Feingold's website
<shawn> AAA http://www.lflegal.com/
<allanj> At least two implementations 2 exist for each success criterion added in WCAG 2.1 (Success Criteria from WCAG 2.0 do not need new implementations);
<allanj> Accessibility support documentation for SC with platform/user agent/assistive technology dependencies is available for at least two technologies with at least four platforms (operating system/user agent/assistive technology combinations
JA: Wonder if SVG counts, or considered part of HTML
<laura> CR Exit Criteria from Tuesday’s AG meeting: https://www.w3.org/2017/10/24-ag-minutes.html#item05
<allanj> All sufficient techniques listed in Understanding WCAG 2.0 at the end of the Candidate Recommendation period contain test procedures
<laura> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Allowing_for_Spacing_Override
<laura> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Allowing_for_Spacing_Override#Tests
<allanj> The Working Group has responded formally to all issues raised against this document related to any implementation efforts during the Candidate Recommendation period.
<laura> Open 2.1 GitHub Issues Labeled "LVTF”: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/labels/LVTF
JA: AG group has been voting on
proposed responses, I will include some in next week's
agenda
... Who will be at TPAC?
<allanj> Shawn, Scott, Glenda, Alastair
SM: I may go, believe it's in San Francisco
JA: Glenda and Alastair will go
SR: Will join virtually as much as I can
LC: Same for me
<allanj> there will also be phone bridge available. Jim, Laura, Steve on phone
<allanj> http://www.tsbvi.edu/understanding%20zoom.html
JA: Would like to emphasize the evils of horizontal scrolling in the intent
<allanj> make sure Wayne;s article is in the resources section
JA: I added another picture and
may include some of Wayne's graphics in there to help
illustrate
... Are there other features others can think of to help
illustrate for Zoom Content?
... Unable to locate any comparison numbers on low-vision
magnification vs. screen-reader users
<shawn> Scrolling http://www.tader.info/scrolling.html To see Comments, click the "Show" button
<shawn> "I am currently using Zoomtext at 4x magnification and moving the screen back and forth to read a long sentence makes me nauseous/sea-sick."
<shawn> "Magnification disorients me and makes it worse. I use very large print and zoom in with web browsers instead."
<shawn> How important is it to be able to change the following:... No horizontal scrolling -- Very important 65%; Important 22%
<shawn> "People who use screen magnification I've user-tested sites with have been very much hindered by having to horizontally scroll in magnified views"
<allanj> caveat web aim demographics not representative to VI population ... WHO data
JA: Ending to go to AG meeting. Will have Steve and Understanding Zoom on agenda for next week
<laura> bye
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