See also: IRC log
<lisa> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/101569/2017-10-12_priorities/results
<lisa> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017OctDec/0244.html
<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:COGA
<lisa> scribe: kirkwood
Lisa: updates at conference with Inclusion in Spain, lots of stuff followingEU easy reading guidleines
<lisa> http://easy-to-read.eu/
:S: should incoroporate into what we are doing
S: /LS:
LS: John K do you want to let me know about what brought up yesterday
sorry don’t recall
LS: WCAG main governing body to get through CR, let me find timelines for WCAG
<lisa> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2.1_timeline
LS: think it was five maybe less
in our achievable ones
... they want to go to CR by September 12
... want to get out of CR by June 2018
... does everyone know what CR is?
Andy: don’t know
LS: want to explain if makes
sense
... the W3C process before working draft becomes a
specification make final working draft which is CR candidate
recommendation
... fefore becomes a recommendation like on september 12
... before can be pulished there is a whole bunch of things
before September 12
... if they are not confident long process maybe thereee
months, only want ot put in things that have all required
before support to goto redcommendation
... september 12 is very important to get full support
... wnat most of things and commitments, ideally everything inp
place by september 12
... just ecplaing toeveryone what rec is don’t have to all
implementation in place when go to cndidate
recommendation
... good ananylisi of CR?
Yaninina: last stage C then P
then T is the stages
... TR satisfied you have done it
Yanina: as far ahow much needs to
be done for WCAG specifically not in group
... probable correct if distandt futre not immediately at hand
COGA is just one of them
<JohnRochford> "Yanina" =
<JohnRochford> Janina
LS: lets dsay they need five coonformance pages and have 4 think they will be happy
Yaninina: i would expect to be correct
LS: any questions?
Yanina: Proposed recommendationd
and Technoal Recommendation
... Proposed and Techncial
<lisa> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017OctDec/0244.html
LS: who’s doing what to get it
through
... need to identify techniques
... if we need two and we only got one
... with techniques it depends if we have one everyone can use
we are ok
... if we have one and could use another than tow is ok
tow/two
LS: again we have until September
12
... we need to test using two technolgies or user agents
... that means it can be used
;)
LS: we need to show that we have
got it working
... in siome places that is the personlization task force
... with that we need implementation of website
... webistes
... need to find out what is necessary for documenations
... inot SC need to show technology support widely usable
... thaat means differnt implementations that show it
works
... firefox, chrome windoss android, apple
... if show that we’re done
... need to show implementation of webites performing
... five at A, four at AA and atleast two AAA
... and addr4ess all complaints and issues raised
... go through them to see if we’ve got all these things
<lisa> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Accepted_WCAG_2.1_SC
<lisa> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Accepted_WCAG_2.1_SC MichaelC https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2.1
LS: this page undersanding document, think michael put in IRC a while ago
two more here if they’re tracking we don’t need to
LS: understanding document if
available
... checking where other is
... we need to do tracking that we’ve got all these things in
place
... what can people do in terms of implenation, make conforming
website, getting hold of tehcnologies
... purpose of controls
<lisa> Timeouts
LS: lets start with onte thats iesier timeouts
<lisa> http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/guidelines/index.html#timeouts
Timeouts link coming
LS: we’re going to need exampoles of it working
exampoles/examples
LS: we only need one in AAA
... we need a page that has a warning
... all we need is an exmple of a warning
... just a page or two that does that
... do we have that?
<lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/13hmoaVU563kTio1EZD5mbNxcc0k924qVdZZwWckcbu0/edit
LS: give exmples of pages of data
being preserved for 24 hours
... we might already have some pages that do that
... would benefit from examples
... not aware if we have it, find one or two pages that conform
using technique offered
... might be in techniques document
... does anyone have the of the techniques document
JR: I’m focused on accessible authentication
LS: do you have link to
techniques we’re creating
... I’m looking for techniques doeument
doeument/document
LS: wnat to find implementaion
support for different techniques
... we don’t have exact examples, github ddoesn’t have
timeouts
... we need one example
... do you htink that is enough for timeouts
... we have one example that doesn’t timeout
Yanina: my guess is yes
LS: i think for AAA that is enough
Yanina: i was supposed to make a comment
LS: interuptions is next one
Yanina: let me say somehting
about puch api and have had a victory in APA. not good to
interupt people
... don’t want interuption principal is going into
notifications API
... i expect we will buidl on that
... looking at permissions right now and you should know
that
Ls: will go into the idea of being widely supported
Yanina: research talking about focues tracing and situation divice that is context azware thatere is a lot bubbling up
LS: look at personlization task force dealing with those use cases
Yanina: coming up form differnt directions helps us succeed
LS: easily suppress interuptrions
need technique for this and four exmaples of it working
... we need four web pages that conform
... bechause AA need a bit better
... find four websites that conform to this page?
<lisa> iq?
four conforming webistes to interruptions conform to SC link here
<lisa> ACTION: johnkirkwwod to find for implention websites for interuptions - IE four websites that conform to the success cryteria http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/guidelines/index.html#interruptions-minimum [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/26-coga-minutes.html#action01]
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<lisa> ACTION: kirkwwod to find for implention websites for interuptions - IE four websites that conform to the success cryteria http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/guidelines/index.html#interruptions-minimum [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/26-coga-minutes.html#action02]
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might need to write extra techniques
<lisa> ACTION: kirkwood to find for implention websites for interuptions - IE four websites that conform to the success cryteria http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/guidelines/index.html#interruptions-minimum [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/26-coga-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-246 - Find for implention websites for interuptions - ie four websites that conform to the success cryteria http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/guidelines/index.html#interruptions-minimum [on John Kirkwood - due 2017-11-02].
LS: thats tow down thats
fantastic
... exmple accessible authentification
... need examples of sites conforming
... i know ther are sites out there to find them
JF: I will find that
<lisa> ACTION: rochford to find for implention websites for accessible authentification success cryteria [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/26-coga-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-247 - Find for implention websites for accessible authentification success cryteria [on John Rochford - due 2017-11-02].
JR/JF
LS: contextual information
... hopefull can get things going with this one. need an
implementaion that is working
... understand thats a lot more owrk
owrk/work
LS: getting four pages working
with that, aren’t any unless you include, are four working
right now if you allow using web autofill specification
... do need for every site of some sites, ineed to shck with
WCAG
shck/check
<lisa> ACTION: check with wcag if each item listed needs impletion in pourpose of controls, and if autocomplete is included [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/26-coga-minutes.html#action05]
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<lisa> ACTION: lisa check with wcag if each item listed needs impletion in pourpose of controls, and if autocomplete is included [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/26-coga-minutes.html#action06]
LS: giving myself an action itme to see if auto complete is included
<trackbot> Created ACTION-248 - Check with wcag if each item listed needs impletion in pourpose of controls, and if autocomplete is included [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2017-11-02].
LS: I would supect would be
defined, autocomplet pages will work for the item in list of
identifying controls
... for aspect doesn’t control need to build web pages
anyone interested in working on it
LS: anyone interested in working on it?
Neil: our rep have put him forward and should get confirmation to join task force
NM: slammed but hopefully Mark can help
LS: hopefully get some pages together orgfanization where symbols can be added
EA: don’t quite understand it
could you emial it to me
... if you could email me iwht requirments and I can see ehat i
can do
LS: great I can do it
EA: bad time flat out with
lectures right now, we are slammed with it. but send me details
i can see what i can do
... got to be done be December 12
... minutes wrong saying September 12 should be Decemeber
12
<Pietro> http://www.autismeurope.org/easy-to-read
<JohnRochford> Have to join the Low Vision TF conference now
LS: we’ve got same kind of thing
with meta data but need one implementation of different
aspects
... anyone interested in doing the meta data one
<lisa> http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/guidelines/index.html#contextual-information
LS: its more broad but need to
show one implementaion, of contextual information
... anyone interested in working on an implementation of that
one?
<lisa> zalim, next item
LS: I think we’re reasonably ok
LS: about comments that WCAG is responding to the comments
WCAG: writing very general comments people say interuptions should be A but AAA
LS: what WCAG wants is comments
on an idividual level
... if each issue is a separate comment
... if we say should be AA or AAA or, each comment has to be
addressed
... if separte items in github they can be responed to
better
LS: if there are any comments in WCAG list worth tracking too
LS: we just have another minute
review understanding section for all diferent task forces
... we should review to see if anything object to ini it
<lisa> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Accepted_WCAG_2.1_SC
LS: i’ll send ot list and track
in list, understanding sections in SC that isn’t ours and see
if anything we should add
... if people can comment on here that would be great
no problem
LS: any last minure questions?
correction needed to minutes “ they want to go to CR by September 12” Should read “ they want to go to CR by December 12”
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