IRC log of personalization on 2017-10-09
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/10/09-personalization-irc
- 16:59:05 [AndyHeath]
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- 16:59:48 [MichaelC]
- agenda?
- 17:00:23 [clapierre]
- present+
- 17:00:28 [janina]
- present+
- 17:00:36 [clapierre]
- chair: clapierre
- 17:00:39 [MichaelC]
- present+
- 17:00:42 [MichaelC]
- agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2017Oct/0005.html
- 17:00:42 [Roy]
- present+
- 17:01:13 [MichaelC]
- agenda+ Updates, new wiki pages, TPAC
- 17:01:13 [MichaelC]
- agenda+ How to treat immature sections (see the survey)
- 17:01:13 [MichaelC]
- agenda+ Which sections should we focus on?
- 17:01:13 [MichaelC]
- agenda+ Do we want it as a vocabulary?
- 17:01:13 [MichaelC]
- agenda+ Let me know if you would like me to add anything else to the agenda that you would like us to discuss.
- 17:02:20 [AndyHeath]
- having trouble with my audio - was on a badly-configured call earlier today and its screwed it all up - no sound so far
- 17:03:43 [AndyHeath]
- present+
- 17:03:51 [lisa]
- scribe: AndyHeath
- 17:03:58 [lisa]
- (think you...)
- 17:04:15 [lisa]
- zakim, next item
- 17:04:15 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Updates, new wiki pages, TPAC" taken up [from MichaelC]
- 17:04:36 [AndyHeath]
- Updates on TPAC on WIki Page
- 17:05:02 [MichaelC]
- https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki
- 17:06:15 [MichaelC]
- s/Updates on TPAC on WIki Page//
- 17:06:20 [clapierre]
- here are the architectural issues. https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Architectural-issues
- 17:07:35 [AndyHeath]
- Trying to scehdule a meeting with CSS and APA
- 17:08:40 [AndyHeath]
- Janina: Need a joint meeting with CSS - should be prepared to move ahead with Media Queries ASAP
- 17:10:02 [GreggVan_]
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- 17:11:52 [AndyHeath]
- Janina : if we are lucky we may get 10 minutes of the joint hour
- 17:12:42 [clapierre]
- Meeting will be on Tues 11am - 12pm
- 17:13:06 [AndyHeath]
- We might need an Accessibility API mappings document
- 17:14:35 [AndyHeath]
- Janina and charles will prusue privately
- 17:14:45 [AndyHeath]
- s/prusue/pursue
- 17:15:00 [clapierre]
- zakim, next item
- 17:15:00 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "How to treat immature sections (see the survey)" taken up [from MichaelC]
- 17:15:06 [clapierre]
- q?
- 17:15:20 [AndyHeath]
- they will both pursue making arrangements with the others neded
- 17:15:28 [AndyHeath]
- s/neded/needed/
- 17:15:52 [AndyHeath]
- Lisa: Note the architecture page is up on the wiki
- 17:17:29 [AndyHeath]
- Lisa and Charles to discuss a meeting someolace at TPAC for a perosnliation meeting
- 17:18:19 [AndyHeath]
- s/p13n-call/personalisation/
- 17:18:36 [AndyHeath]
- discussion about callins.
- 17:18:49 [AndyHeath]
- the APA group will have callins
- 17:19:32 [MichaelC]
- MichaelC has changed the topic to: Personalizaton TF https://www.w3.org/2017/08/telecon-info_personalization
- 17:20:25 [lisa]
- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/101569/08Oct2017immature-sections/results
- 17:20:36 [clapierre]
- agendum 2. "How to treat immature sections (see the survey)" taken up [from MichaelC]
- 17:20:36 [MichaelC]
- zakim, next item
- 17:20:36 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Which sections should we focus on?" taken up [from MichaelC]
- 17:20:58 [MichaelC]
- zakim, take up item 2
- 17:20:58 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "How to treat immature sections (see the survey)" taken up [from MichaelC]
- 17:21:08 [MichaelC]
- q+
- 17:21:31 [AndyHeath]
- Survey on editors notes - conclusion is yes
- 17:22:16 [AndyHeath]
- Michael: instead of “at risk: say something less formal
- 17:22:38 [AndyHeath]
- Gregg: “Section” is unclear
- 17:22:42 [clapierre]
- q?
- 17:23:18 [MichaelC]
- ack me
- 17:23:40 [AndyHeath]
- Michael: we will agree pragmatically
- 17:24:19 [clapierre]
- zakim, take up item 3
- 17:24:19 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Which sections should we focus on?" taken up [from MichaelC]
- 17:24:38 [lisa]
- q+
- 17:24:43 [clapierre]
- ack lisa
- 17:25:55 [AndyHeath]
- Lisa: we should maybe request people for next week to flag what is immature and what mature
- 17:26:30 [AndyHeath]
- Lisa: there is some kind of prioritisation needed
- 17:26:51 [clapierre]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/vocabulary-proposal/semantics.html
- 17:27:39 [lisa]
- q?
- 17:28:18 [AndyHeath]
- Survey for next week - one survey question for each section with what implementations they foresee - want real data not guesswork
- 17:28:29 [AndyHeath]
- q+
- 17:28:45 [AndyHeath]
- q-
- 17:28:56 [Roy_]
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- 17:29:13 [AndyHeath]
- start it as a servey then maybe copy some to wiki page later
- 17:29:21 [lisa]
- zakim, next item
- 17:29:21 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "Do we want it as a vocabulary?" taken up [from MichaelC]
- 17:29:21 [AndyHeath]
- s/servey/survey/
- 17:29:25 [MichaelC]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2017Oct/0006.html
- 17:29:25 [MichaelC]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/vocabulary-proposal/semantics.html
- 17:31:25 [AndyHeath]
- Michale’s proposal: restrucrued semantics as a vocabulary
- 17:32:06 [AndyHeath]
- Lots of restructuiring. Michael summarised his proposal
- 17:32:22 [AndyHeath]
- Easiest to see the changes from the table of contatcs
- 17:32:34 [AndyHeath]
- s/contatcs/contents/
- 17:32:34 [lisa]
- Q?
- 17:32:40 [clapierre]
- q+
- 17:34:55 [AndyHeath]
- q+
- 17:35:54 [AndyHeath]
- q-
- 17:35:59 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/TR/microdata/
- 17:37:28 [AndyHeath]
- Discussion of how the vocabularly can work with ARIA and say microdata
- 17:39:18 [clapierre]
- Note: Discuss at TPAC whether or not to use aria- per- coga- etc.
- 17:40:36 [AndyHeath]
- The vocabulary terms are independent of the implementation
- 17:41:42 [AndyHeath]
- s/The vocabulary terms are independent of the implementation/ the meaning of the vocabulary terms is independent from the way they are implemented in different formats/
- 17:42:02 [AndyHeath]
- +1 for this
- 17:42:40 [clapierre]
- q?
- 17:42:41 [lisa]
- q?
- 17:42:43 [AndyHeath]
- Andy: the preffxes can come later
- 17:42:49 [clapierre]
- ack clapierre
- 17:43:20 [clapierre]
- https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility
- 17:43:40 [AndyHeath]
- Charles: for Schema.org it is similar
- 17:44:15 [AndyHeath]
- Do we expect something similar for this ?
- 17:44:33 [AndyHeath]
- Michael: we should be compatible with Schema.org
- 17:44:57 [AndyHeath]
- q+
- 17:45:33 [AndyHeath]
- q-
- 17:46:20 [AndyHeath]
- q+
- 17:46:54 [AndyHeath]
- Michael - it should be all value pairs
- 17:48:11 [AndyHeath]
- Discussion of the model of value pairs and scope of the work
- 17:50:26 [lisa]
- q?
- 17:52:37 [clapierre]
- ack A
- 17:53:24 [lisa]
- q+
- 17:54:04 [clapierre]
- ack lisa
- 17:54:44 [AndyHeath]
- Lisa: Logs is a problem
- 17:56:19 [AndyHeath]
- Michwel: its do-able but no in a way that supports intrinsic validation
- 17:56:36 [AndyHeath]
- s/Michwel/Michael/
- 17:57:30 [lisa]
- https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/#log-usage-examples
- 17:58:31 [AndyHeath]
- Michael: all this stuff can eb done with a vocab but what can’t be done is automatic validation
- 17:59:12 [clapierre]
- q?
- 17:59:44 [GreggVan_]
- q+
- 18:00:31 [clapierre]
- ack G
- 18:00:35 [AndyHeath]
- Topic for the next round - what can’t be done with a vocab
- 18:01:00 [lisa]
- q+
- 18:01:29 [AndyHeath]
- Gregg: what are we doing - is this for wcag or what ?
- 18:01:45 [clapierre]
- ack lisa
- 18:02:41 [AndyHeath]
- Gregg: Are we creating a technology spec ? There seem to be no implementors in the room
- 18:02:55 [AndyHeath]
- Lisa: Pearson and Texthelp are involved
- 18:03:46 [clapierre]
- EasyReader
- 18:03:59 [AndyHeath]
- Lisa: I also have my own project working on this
- 18:04:10 [AndyHeath]
- Charles: EasyReader
- 18:04:45 [AndyHeath]
- Survey on at risk sections for next call
- 18:04:57 [clapierre]
- rrsagent, make logs public
- 18:05:04 [clapierre]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 18:05:04 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/09-personalization-minutes.html clapierre
- 18:06:21 [clapierre]
- rrsagent, please part
- 18:06:21 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items
- 18:06:22 [lisa]
- zakim, please part
- 18:06:22 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been clapierre, janina, MichaelC, Roy, AndyHeath
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