IRC log of personalization on 2017-10-09

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16:59:05 [AndyHeath]
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16:59:48 [MichaelC]
agenda?
17:00:23 [clapierre]
present+
17:00:28 [janina]
present+
17:00:36 [clapierre]
chair: clapierre
17:00:39 [MichaelC]
present+
17:00:42 [MichaelC]
agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2017Oct/0005.html
17:00:42 [Roy]
present+
17:01:13 [MichaelC]
agenda+ Updates, new wiki pages, TPAC
17:01:13 [MichaelC]
agenda+ How to treat immature sections (see the survey)
17:01:13 [MichaelC]
agenda+ Which sections should we focus on?
17:01:13 [MichaelC]
agenda+ Do we want it as a vocabulary?
17:01:13 [MichaelC]
agenda+ Let me know if you would like me to add anything else to the agenda that you would like us to discuss.
17:02:20 [AndyHeath]
having trouble with my audio - was on a badly-configured call earlier today and its screwed it all up - no sound so far
17:03:43 [AndyHeath]
present+
17:03:51 [lisa]
scribe: AndyHeath
17:03:58 [lisa]
(think you...)
17:04:15 [lisa]
zakim, next item
17:04:15 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "Updates, new wiki pages, TPAC" taken up [from MichaelC]
17:04:36 [AndyHeath]
Updates on TPAC on WIki Page
17:05:02 [MichaelC]
https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki
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s/Updates on TPAC on WIki Page//
17:06:20 [clapierre]
here are the architectural issues. https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Architectural-issues
17:07:35 [AndyHeath]
Trying to scehdule a meeting with CSS and APA
17:08:40 [AndyHeath]
Janina: Need a joint meeting with CSS - should be prepared to move ahead with Media Queries ASAP
17:10:02 [GreggVan_]
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17:11:52 [AndyHeath]
Janina : if we are lucky we may get 10 minutes of the joint hour
17:12:42 [clapierre]
Meeting will be on Tues 11am - 12pm
17:13:06 [AndyHeath]
We might need an Accessibility API mappings document
17:14:35 [AndyHeath]
Janina and charles will prusue privately
17:14:45 [AndyHeath]
s/prusue/pursue
17:15:00 [clapierre]
zakim, next item
17:15:00 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "How to treat immature sections (see the survey)" taken up [from MichaelC]
17:15:06 [clapierre]
q?
17:15:20 [AndyHeath]
they will both pursue making arrangements with the others neded
17:15:28 [AndyHeath]
s/neded/needed/
17:15:52 [AndyHeath]
Lisa: Note the architecture page is up on the wiki
17:17:29 [AndyHeath]
Lisa and Charles to discuss a meeting someolace at TPAC for a perosnliation meeting
17:18:19 [AndyHeath]
s/p13n-call/personalisation/
17:18:36 [AndyHeath]
discussion about callins.
17:18:49 [AndyHeath]
the APA group will have callins
17:19:32 [MichaelC]
MichaelC has changed the topic to: Personalizaton TF https://www.w3.org/2017/08/telecon-info_personalization
17:20:25 [lisa]
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/101569/08Oct2017immature-sections/results
17:20:36 [clapierre]
agendum 2. "How to treat immature sections (see the survey)" taken up [from MichaelC]
17:20:36 [MichaelC]
zakim, next item
17:20:36 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Which sections should we focus on?" taken up [from MichaelC]
17:20:58 [MichaelC]
zakim, take up item 2
17:20:58 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "How to treat immature sections (see the survey)" taken up [from MichaelC]
17:21:08 [MichaelC]
q+
17:21:31 [AndyHeath]
Survey on editors notes - conclusion is yes
17:22:16 [AndyHeath]
Michael: instead of “at risk: say something less formal
17:22:38 [AndyHeath]
Gregg: “Section” is unclear
17:22:42 [clapierre]
q?
17:23:18 [MichaelC]
ack me
17:23:40 [AndyHeath]
Michael: we will agree pragmatically
17:24:19 [clapierre]
zakim, take up item 3
17:24:19 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Which sections should we focus on?" taken up [from MichaelC]
17:24:38 [lisa]
q+
17:24:43 [clapierre]
ack lisa
17:25:55 [AndyHeath]
Lisa: we should maybe request people for next week to flag what is immature and what mature
17:26:30 [AndyHeath]
Lisa: there is some kind of prioritisation needed
17:26:51 [clapierre]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/vocabulary-proposal/semantics.html
17:27:39 [lisa]
q?
17:28:18 [AndyHeath]
Survey for next week - one survey question for each section with what implementations they foresee - want real data not guesswork
17:28:29 [AndyHeath]
q+
17:28:45 [AndyHeath]
q-
17:28:56 [Roy_]
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17:29:13 [AndyHeath]
start it as a servey then maybe copy some to wiki page later
17:29:21 [lisa]
zakim, next item
17:29:21 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "Do we want it as a vocabulary?" taken up [from MichaelC]
17:29:21 [AndyHeath]
s/servey/survey/
17:29:25 [MichaelC]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2017Oct/0006.html
17:29:25 [MichaelC]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/vocabulary-proposal/semantics.html
17:31:25 [AndyHeath]
Michale’s proposal: restrucrued semantics as a vocabulary
17:32:06 [AndyHeath]
Lots of restructuiring. Michael summarised his proposal
17:32:22 [AndyHeath]
Easiest to see the changes from the table of contatcs
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s/contatcs/contents/
17:32:34 [lisa]
Q?
17:32:40 [clapierre]
q+
17:34:55 [AndyHeath]
q+
17:35:54 [AndyHeath]
q-
17:35:59 [MichaelC]
https://www.w3.org/TR/microdata/
17:37:28 [AndyHeath]
Discussion of how the vocabularly can work with ARIA and say microdata
17:39:18 [clapierre]
Note: Discuss at TPAC whether or not to use aria- per- coga- etc.
17:40:36 [AndyHeath]
The vocabulary terms are independent of the implementation
17:41:42 [AndyHeath]
s/The vocabulary terms are independent of the implementation/ the meaning of the vocabulary terms is independent from the way they are implemented in different formats/
17:42:02 [AndyHeath]
+1 for this
17:42:40 [clapierre]
q?
17:42:41 [lisa]
q?
17:42:43 [AndyHeath]
Andy: the preffxes can come later
17:42:49 [clapierre]
ack clapierre
17:43:20 [clapierre]
https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility
17:43:40 [AndyHeath]
Charles: for Schema.org it is similar
17:44:15 [AndyHeath]
Do we expect something similar for this ?
17:44:33 [AndyHeath]
Michael: we should be compatible with Schema.org
17:44:57 [AndyHeath]
q+
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q-
17:46:20 [AndyHeath]
q+
17:46:54 [AndyHeath]
Michael - it should be all value pairs
17:48:11 [AndyHeath]
Discussion of the model of value pairs and scope of the work
17:50:26 [lisa]
q?
17:52:37 [clapierre]
ack A
17:53:24 [lisa]
q+
17:54:04 [clapierre]
ack lisa
17:54:44 [AndyHeath]
Lisa: Logs is a problem
17:56:19 [AndyHeath]
Michwel: its do-able but no in a way that supports intrinsic validation
17:56:36 [AndyHeath]
s/Michwel/Michael/
17:57:30 [lisa]
https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/#log-usage-examples
17:58:31 [AndyHeath]
Michael: all this stuff can eb done with a vocab but what can’t be done is automatic validation
17:59:12 [clapierre]
q?
17:59:44 [GreggVan_]
q+
18:00:31 [clapierre]
ack G
18:00:35 [AndyHeath]
Topic for the next round - what can’t be done with a vocab
18:01:00 [lisa]
q+
18:01:29 [AndyHeath]
Gregg: what are we doing - is this for wcag or what ?
18:01:45 [clapierre]
ack lisa
18:02:41 [AndyHeath]
Gregg: Are we creating a technology spec ? There seem to be no implementors in the room
18:02:55 [AndyHeath]
Lisa: Pearson and Texthelp are involved
18:03:46 [clapierre]
EasyReader
18:03:59 [AndyHeath]
Lisa: I also have my own project working on this
18:04:10 [AndyHeath]
Charles: EasyReader
18:04:45 [AndyHeath]
Survey on at risk sections for next call
18:04:57 [clapierre]
rrsagent, make logs public
18:05:04 [clapierre]
rrsagent, draft minutes
18:05:04 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/09-personalization-minutes.html clapierre
18:06:21 [clapierre]
rrsagent, please part
18:06:21 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items
18:06:22 [lisa]
zakim, please part
18:06:22 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees have been clapierre, janina, MichaelC, Roy, AndyHeath
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