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17:05:06 <jamesn> Meeting: ARIA APG TF
17:05:15 <jamesn> present+
17:05:29 <AnnAbbott> present+
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17:08:27 <mck> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/October-9%2C-2017-Meeting
17:08:42 <AnnAbbott> scribe: AnnAbbott
17:10:13 <AnnAbbott> MK: essential editing should be able to be finished by end of month
17:10:57 <AnnAbbott> MK: open issues will go into 3Q2017
17:11:04 <AnnAbbott> TOPIC: Issue 413 - KeyBoard navigation for xOS
17:11:49 <AnnAbbott> Paragraph to discuss: Although users of Mac OS X are familiar with using the Command key instead of the Control key, the Command key is typically reserved for desktop applications and OS-level integration. Until device and platform independence can be addressed in WAI-ARIA 2.0, the primary Control modifier key for WAI-ARIA widget interaction is specified as Control on all platforms,...
17:11:51 <AnnAbbott> ...including Mac OS X.
17:12:49 <AnnAbbott> MK: doesn't call out difference between Mac OSX and Windows
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17:14:21 <AnnAbbott> JN: as long as dev has documented what does what, should be good
17:14:34 <bgaraventa1979> present+ Bryan_Garaventa
17:16:39 <AnnAbbott> MK: would be more comfortable if a Note calls out the difference via Keyboard section
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17:17:35 <AnnAbbott> AA: do we really have to document that?
17:18:03 <jongund> present+ jongund
17:18:22 <AnnAbbott> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/October-9%2C-2017-Meeting
17:18:45 <mck> present+ matt_king
17:20:39 <AnnAbbott> AA: can't we point them to an Apple doc so we don't have to maintain?
17:21:27 <AnnAbbott> JK: #2 seems like too much work
17:21:52 <AnnAbbott> AA: meat of matter needs to go in the Keyboard section
17:24:58 <AnnAbbott> MK: issue also appears in selection pattern/composite
17:26:25 <AnnAbbott> BG: would rather leave it up to the browser
17:27:08 <AnnAbbott> BG: more important to list what controls widget type
17:28:33 <AnnAbbott> MK: doesn't feel like that paragraph can remain in published version
17:29:50 <mck> in spin button it says:
17:29:51 <mck> ◦ Standard single line text field keys, such as Left Arrow, Right Arrow, Shift + Left Arrow, Shift + Right Arrow, and Delete, for cursor movement, selecting
17:29:53 <mck> text, and text deletion.
17:32:11 <mck> Proposal: Supports standard text input, editing, and selection keys based on browser support for native HTML input type text or contenteditable.
17:34:37 <AnnAbbott> MK: and delete paragraph in question entirely
17:34:50 <AnnAbbott> AA: agree
17:35:13 <AnnAbbott> JG: agree
17:36:02 <AnnAbbott> MK: where text input is mentioned, use Proposal and remove mention of specific key
17:36:12 <AnnAbbott> Action 1 above
17:36:12 <trackbot> Error finding '1'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/users>.
17:37:38 <AnnAbbott> 2) write mapping section, then add Note here it pertains
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17:40:59 <AnnAbbott> TOPIC: Issue 47: Add note addressing validation errors resulting from aria-expanded on menuitem elements to Menu and Menubar patterns and examples
17:41:30 <mck> http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/menubar/menubar-1/menubar-1.html
17:42:05 <mck> Currently, using aria-expanded on elements with role menuitem triggers HTML validation errors because the ARIA specification does not yet support doing
17:42:06 <mck> so. The ARIA working group plans to resolve this issue in the next version of the specification. Until a version of ARIA that resolves
17:42:08 <mck> the issue
17:42:09 <mck>  becomes a W3C recommendation, it is safe to ignore these validation errors. Alternatively, since only a few browser and assistive technology combinations
17:42:11 <mck> exploit this feature of the pattern, it can be omitted from implementations.
17:46:02 <AnnAbbott> AA & JN agree
17:47:20 <mck> http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/#menu
17:47:50 <AnnAbbott> MK: will add Note and aria-expanded to 2.16 also
17:48:48 <AnnAbbott> MK: also contains bold text to see note below
17:50:03 <AnnAbbott> AA: completed review of scrollable listbox
17:50:57 <AnnAbbott> JK: done with combobox review
17:51:22 <jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/464
17:51:53 <AnnAbbott> MK: Oct 30 deadline for review of doc prior to publish notification
17:53:02 <AnnAbbott> MK: 7-day CFC end of Nov planned
17:54:31 <AnnAbbott> MK: need to be DONE by 10/23 which will allow for bug cleanup early Nov
17:55:44 <AnnAbbott> MK: hold off on carousel example
17:57:43 <AnnAbbott> MK: wants 1.0 combobox pattern included if possible
17:58:05 <AnnAbbott> JG: will try
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17:59:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/09-aria-apg-minutes.html AnnAbbott
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