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16:51:14 <lisa> agenda+ Additional introductions
16:51:16 <lisa> agenda+ Updates (wiki up and running, user needs table and proposed time lines (mature draft before December?)  https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki
16:51:18 <lisa> agenda+ How often do we want to meet
16:51:19 <lisa> agenda+ Meeting at TPAC
16:51:26 <lisa> agenda+ Reviewing the draft (feedback on what needs to be done by section) https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Task-list-for-semantics  https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics (and issues)
16:51:26 <lisa> Other ideas: Do we want it as a vocabulary? should we trim the specification?
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17:01:36 <Thaddeus> +Present Thaddeus
17:01:40 <Thaddeus> + Thaddeus
17:01:45 <jasonjgw> present+
17:02:03 <lisa> present+
17:03:14 <AndyHeath> AndyHeath has joined #personalization
17:03:14 <Thaddeus> can someone post the call in number please
17:03:28 <AndyHeath> Present+
17:03:30 <lisa> scribe: andyheath
17:03:48 <clapierre> clapierre has joined #personalization
17:04:09 <clapierre> present+
17:04:12 <lisa> thad can you access this page https://www.w3.org/2017/08/telecon-info_personalization
17:05:05 <lisa> regrets, jan
17:05:12 <lisa> regrets: jan
17:05:19 <lisa> zakim, next item
17:05:19 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Additional introductions" taken up [from lisa]
17:05:52 <lisa> zakim, next item
17:05:52 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, lisa
17:05:58 <AndyHeath> Texthelp will be joining when they get through the process things
17:06:01 <lisa> zakim, next item
17:06:01 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, lisa
17:06:09 <lisa> zakim, close item
17:06:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', lisa
17:06:16 <clapierre> scribe: AndyHeath
17:06:17 <lisa> zakim, item 2
17:06:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'item 2', lisa
17:06:27 <lisa> zakim, open item 2
17:06:27 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Updates (wiki up and running, user needs table and proposed time lines (mature draft before December?)  https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki" taken up
17:06:30 <Zakim> ... [from lisa]
17:08:06 <AndyHeath> If you want to add more pages/links on the wiki you can
17:08:59 <lisa> q?
17:09:12 <lisa> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Task-list-for-semantics
17:09:30 <Thaddeus> I cant get in to the right now
17:09:30 <Thaddeus> https://www.w3.org/2017/08/telecon-info_personalization
17:09:37 <AndyHeath> On the emantics page we are collecting sub-issues
17:09:37 <Thaddeus> are you allowed to paste in the number
17:09:53 <AndyHeath> s/emantics/semantics
17:10:30 <AndyHeath> Collect comments when reviewing documents in this place
17:11:24 <lisa> Thad, i opened a private chat window
17:11:41 <clapierre> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Task-list-for-semantics
17:12:12 <lisa> thadd i put the info into a privat chat
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17:13:18 <AndyHeath> The semantics page is stuff for the documents and a todo list
17:13:21 <lisa> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Task-list-for-semantics
17:13:33 <lisa> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/
17:13:39 <janina> present+
17:14:08 <lisa> present+
17:14:28 <Thaddeus> present+
17:14:43 <GreggVan> present+
17:15:26 <MichaelC> present+
17:15:39 <janina> q+ to ask for some more about what the wcag 2.1 tie in is
17:16:36 <AndyHeath> Can we get a straw draft out for early December to be useful for WCAG 2.1
17:17:43 <AndyHeath> Janina - why are we on a WCAG timeeline at all given that ARIA ia all about tecnniques
17:18:06 <AndyHeath> Lisa - the more supportive techniques the better and we have some
17:19:01 <AndyHeath> Lisa - there is already a draft of our techniques
17:19:10 <AndyHeath> Andy agrees with Janina too
17:19:30 <AndyHeath> Michael agrees with Janina
17:20:53 <lisa> q?
17:21:43 <AndyHeath> Lisa/Gregg - ARIA is limited to markup languages
17:21:56 <AndyHeath> q+
17:23:14 <AndyHeath> Debate about whether there are sufficeint techniques
17:23:32 <lisa> ack j
17:23:32 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to ask for some more about what the wcag 2.1 tie in is
17:23:36 <AndyHeath> q-
17:23:39 <lisa> ack j
17:23:42 <janina> ack ja
17:24:37 <AndyHeath> There isn’t agreement on whether we care about the WCAG 2.1 schedule
17:24:42 <AndyHeath> Gregg - its too late
17:25:39 <lisa> https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics/
17:25:53 <AndyHeath> Lisa - do we want 2pwd for 5th december
17:27:14 <AndyHeath> Janina - updating the draft by 5th december but focussing on wcag may not be the way to go
17:27:17 <lisa> zakim, next item
17:27:17 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Additional introductions" taken up [from lisa]
17:28:00 <lisa> zakim, next item
17:28:00 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, lisa
17:28:07 <lisa> 	zakim, open item 3
17:28:07 <Zakim> agendum 3. "How often do we want to meet" taken up [from lisa]
17:29:17 <AndyHeath> Lisa and Charles wants us to meet every week
17:29:59 <AndyHeath> q+
17:31:02 <MichaelC> ack a
17:32:05 <AndyHeath> For now one call per week in the cuyrrent timeslot
17:33:16 <Thaddeus> I am fine joining a weekly meeting
17:33:54 <AndyHeath> Gregg - wcag used surveys and the meetings followed to resolve unresolved things
17:36:09 <jasonjgw> q+
17:37:09 <GreggVan> q+
17:37:49 <AndyHeath> Jason - what are the objectives for a specification ?
17:38:27 <AndyHeath> Jason - do we want it tight and small or larger and take longer to progress
17:39:14 <lisa> q?
17:39:20 <lisa> ack q
17:39:25 <lisa> ack j
17:39:25 <clapierre> ack jason
17:40:19 <clapierre> +1 to weekly meetings unless cancelled
17:40:35 <lisa> +1 to weekly meetings unless cancelled
17:41:13 <AndyHeath> Lisa - “I would like a weekly call supplemented by surveys where useful”
17:42:06 <clapierre> +1 to using surveys
17:42:18 <Thaddeus> +1 to using surveys
17:42:27 <GreggVan> q+
17:42:38 <AndyHeath> +1 for weekly call + surveys
17:42:42 <lisa> ack g
17:43:11 <lisa> 	zakim, open item 4
17:43:11 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Meeting at TPAC" taken up [from lisa]
17:43:23 <AndyHeath> Gregg - “surveys - make sure that links always open up on a new page"
17:45:11 <janina> q+
17:45:15 <lisa> q+
17:45:45 <AndyHeath> Charles “TPAC - I’ll be there for the week. Digital Publishing Monday and Tuesday,Thurs and Fri = publisjing summit”
17:46:00 <clapierre> ack Jan
17:46:25 <Thaddeus> I will be
17:46:48 <AndyHeath> Discussion - how/whether to have a meeting at TPAC on personalisation
17:48:06 <lisa> ack l
17:48:09 <AndyHeath> Janina - propose talk some personalisation in joint meeting for ARIA and CSS Media Queries sometime on Minday or Tues.
17:49:02 <AndyHeath> Lisa +1 for pesonalisation in joint meeting + should meet with dig pub
17:50:20 <AndyHeath> Charles - will propose jont meeting to dig pub
17:50:54 <AndyHeath> Janina - meet with CSS best Mon or Tues
17:52:29 <AndyHeath> Lisa, Charles, Janina take this offline
17:52:37 <lisa> action: charles sort out tpac
17:52:53 <lisa> 	zakim, open item 5
17:52:54 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Reviewing the draft (feedback on what needs to be done by section) https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Task-list-for-semantics
17:52:56 <Zakim> ... https://w3c.github.io/personalization-semantics (and issues)" taken up [from lisa]
17:54:09 <AndyHeath> Lisa = “its a long spec and people more familiar with the metadata side
17:55:34 <AndyHeath> Lisa - |lets try to focus effort on things people are implementing while not throwing stuff out"
17:55:55 <AndyHeath> Lisa - “want more use cases but for a narrower scope”
17:56:29 <AndyHeath> Lisa/Charles - don’t throw anything out
17:57:17 <jasonjgw> q+
17:58:12 <clapierre> ack jas
17:58:16 <AndyHeath> First agenda # for next week - discussion of potential restructuring of spec
17:58:42 <AndyHeath> q+
17:59:13 <AndyHeath> Jason - “conventional way to think about it is start with preferences”
18:00:33 <janina> q?
18:00:59 <AndyHeath> Jason - “but its not clear how all the pieces of this can fit together”
18:01:59 <AndyHeath> ack
18:02:22 <AndyHeath> Lisa - “architecture coming second"
18:02:38 <Thaddeus> agreed
18:02:58 <Thaddeus> thank you
18:03:02 <AndyHeath> Lisa - “we can make a wiki page where we discuss the architectural issues"
18:03:20 <lisa> action: lisa to make page on actectures
18:03:51 <AndyHeath> Everyone please look at the specirication
18:04:16 <AndyHeath> should some things be considered “at risk"
18:04:49 <AndyHeath> Please add to the wiki pages
18:05:34 <lisa> rrsagent, create minutes
18:05:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/02-personalization-minutes.html lisa
18:06:01 <lisa> zakim, please part
18:06:01 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Thaddeus, jasonjgw, lisa, AndyHeath, clapierre, janina, GreggVan, MichaelC
18:06:01 <Zakim> Zakim has left #personalization
18:06:18 <lisa> rrsagent, please part
18:06:18 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/02-personalization-actions.rdf :
18:06:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: charles sort out tpac [1]
18:06:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/02-personalization-irc#T17-52-37
18:06:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa to make page on actectures [2]
18:06:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/02-personalization-irc#T18-03-20