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14:06:11 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: approve last week's minutes
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14:07:09 <kcoyle> q?
14:07:12 <antoine> sounds good
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14:07:29 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/09/25-dxwg-minutes#ResolutionSummary
14:08:12 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> kcoyle: asking for approving the requirement "6.9 Version indicator"
14:08:38 <kcoyle> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/#RVer3
14:09:20 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> PROPOSAL: accept RVer3 with name changed to version indicator
14:09:27 <Thomas> +1
14:09:32 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
14:09:35 <annette_g> +1
14:09:37 <newton> +1
14:09:38 <AndreaPerego> +1
14:09:38 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1
14:09:39 <dsr_> +1
14:09:39 <Ixchel> q+
14:09:43 <Makx> isn't that 6.7 Version identifier [RVer3]?
14:09:45 <roba> q+
14:09:51 <kcoyle> ack Ixchel
14:10:02 <LarsG> s/PROPOSAL/PROPOSED/
14:10:26 <Makx> 6.9 is Version release date [RVer5]
14:10:27 <Ixchel> Provide a means to indicate a version (URI-segment, property, etc.). Clarify relationship to indicator of the subject resource.
14:10:52 <roba> q-
14:11:39 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> Ixcchel: clarify the second sentence of requirement ..
14:11:45 <Ixchel> Provide a means to indicate the type of version (URI-segment, property, etc.). Clarify relationship to indicator of the subject resource.
14:12:08 <LarsG> +1
14:12:08 <roba> +0
14:12:22 <annette_g> Isn't that to indicate the version itself?
14:12:23 <AndreaPerego> Can I suggest we add an explicit pointer to https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#VersioningInfo ?
14:13:03 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> I can't hear Makx ...?
14:13:07 <LarsG> s/6.9 Version indicator/6.7 Version indicator/
14:13:11 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> o.k.
14:13:28 <PWinstanley> +1
14:13:42 <Makx> +1 to Andrea
14:13:51 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> RESOLVED: accept RVer3 with name changed to version indicator
14:14:00 <Makx> +1
14:14:35 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> Ixchel will update the UCR document
14:14:59 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> kcolye: please indicate presence in F2F
14:15:43 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> kcolye: register at time, this is needed to plan the room capacities
14:16:06 <Ixchel> Clarification: Ixchel is updating the UCR working document on Google Drive
14:16:14 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> kcolye: we'll have a remote connection, difficult because of Californian time zone
14:17:06 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> kcoyle: a number of previously "closed" actions appear in tracker as "open"
14:17:24 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> dsr:_ will clarify why
14:17:45 <LarsG> q+ to talk about action-40
14:17:52 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> kcoyle: Ruben + Lars, please check conneg reqs.
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14:18:02 <kcoyle> ack LarsG
14:18:02 <Zakim> LarsG, you wanted to talk about action-40
14:18:16 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> LarsG: we lloked at it, created  pulled requests, were accpeted today
14:18:52 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> kcoyle: will lcose corresponding actions once  the tracker problem solved
14:19:16 <annette_g> s/licked/lloked/
14:19:28 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:19:33 <annette_g> s/lloked/looked/
14:19:58 <LarsG> q+ to ask if it's possible to have the github notifications sent to the dxwg list
14:20:21 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> kcoyle: the action  42 to be resolved next week, too short time note
14:20:27 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:20:29 <kcoyle> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16JmtNCz_aCWtTCSntriDWLvyPY2x-Y9dZFhAHFl55r0/edit?usp=sharing
14:20:49 <kcoyle> ack LarsG
14:20:49 <Zakim> LarsG, you wanted to ask if it's possible to have the github notifications sent to the dxwg list
14:20:49 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> kycoyle: we'll look at the proposed spreadsheet
14:21:18 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> LarsG: request to send the Guthub notifications to group
14:21:23 <AndreaPerego> +1 to LarsG proposal
14:21:38 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> s/Guthub/Github/
14:22:28 <antoine> +1
14:22:54 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> dsr_: will look at the option to circulate GitHub pull request notification to DXWG mailing list
14:23:14 <antoine> we've talked about this after Phil moved. And it was one of the motivations for everyong to move to github I think ;-)
14:23:15 <kcoyle> q?
14:23:29 <antoine> s/everyong/everyone accepting
14:23:31 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> ACTION: will look at the option to circulate GitHub pull request notification to DXWG mailing list
14:23:31 <trackbot> Error finding 'will'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/users>.
14:23:46 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> ACTION: dsr_ will look at the option to circulate GitHub pull request notification to DXWG mailing list
14:23:46 <trackbot> Error finding 'dsr_'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/users>.
14:24:16 <dsr> action: dsr to look at the option to circulate GitHub pull request notification to DXWG mailing list
14:24:22 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> kcoyle: back to spreadsheet..
14:24:24 <trackbot> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker.  Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
14:24:36 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> .. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16JmtNCz_aCWtTCSntriDWLvyPY2x-Y9dZFhAHFl55r0/edit?usp=sharing
14:24:52 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> kcoyle: explaining the structure
14:25:37 <kcoyle> PROPOSED: UCR group to complete spread sheet and numbering for requirements discussion
14:25:52 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:26:11 <annette_g> +1
14:26:36 <roba> q+
14:26:46 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:27:31 <kcoyle> ack roba
14:28:14 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> Jaroslav_Pullmann: will we stick to a general req. title or have dedicated label for each?
14:28:40 <roba> +1
14:28:43 <Thomas> +1
14:28:49 <Ixchel> +1
14:28:52 <dsr> +1
14:28:52 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:28:53 <newton> +1
14:28:54 <PWinstanley> +1
14:28:55 <LarsG> +1
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14:29:15 <antoine> +1
14:29:24 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> Will this replace the more intercative wiki?
14:29:58 <riccardoAlbertoni_> +1
14:30:49 <AndreaPerego> s/intercative/interactive/
14:32:02 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: UCR group to complete spread sheet and numbering for requirements discussion
14:32:32 <kcoyle> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/35/commits/a8ed32e797023d73a2509da0c4fdec5b8240dcfd
14:32:33 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> kcoyle: Peter had an action to update wording
14:33:14 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> .. of https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/#RVer1
14:33:37 <kcoyle> q?
14:33:42 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> kcoyle: asks Peter co comment
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14:33:54 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> s/co/to/
14:34:18 <roba> q+
14:34:43 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> PWinstanley: should we rely on DC isVersionOf or other mechanism
14:35:01 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:35:36 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> roba: affraid, that we are getting into a solution space
14:36:15 <Makx> +1 to roba
14:36:32 <riccardoAlbertoni_> +1 not to discuss about solutions at this stage
14:36:38 <LarsG> s/affraid/afraid/
14:36:45 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> roba: we should word in more generally requesting group to finde right solution
14:36:55 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:37:39 <Makx> but also agree that dct:isVersionOf may well play a role when we get to potential solutions
14:38:00 <kcoyle> Jaroslav_Pullmann: as per alejandra we should define which resources need versioning
14:38:39 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> I expected this requirement be replaced by Alejandras proposal
14:39:54 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> Alejandras proposal  was laid down in this action: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/44
14:40:15 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:40:43 <kcoyle> ack riccardoAlbertoni_
14:40:48 <kcoyle> ack roba
14:41:08 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:41:35 <LarsG> q+
14:42:08 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> kcoyle: we will discuss this later, when ther is a proposal from Alejandra
14:42:22 <kcoyle> PROPOSED: table ver1 for now; wait for Alejandra's action
14:42:41 <Makx> +1
14:43:18 <riccardoAlbertoni_> +1
14:43:19 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> LarsG: will "profiles" be conisdered "subject to versioning" as well?
14:43:42 <roba> q+
14:43:51 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> kcoyle: good point, should be considered
14:43:52 <kcoyle> ack LarsG
14:43:56 <kcoyle> ack roba
14:43:59 <Makx> +1 to think about versioning profiles
14:44:28 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> roba: there are cross-references among deliverables
14:44:52 <antoine> +1 it would be very important
14:45:10 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> roba: therefore the solutions should bear this in mind
14:45:23 <LarsG> s/conisdered/considered/
14:46:22 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> roba: make sure the backlinks to UCR document (from other deliverables) will work
14:47:31 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> there will be a deliverable tag in the GDoc spreadsheet
14:48:04 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> talking about: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/43
14:48:21 <kcoyle> q?
14:48:27 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> PWinstanley: definition of what is considered a version
14:48:46 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:48:59 <antoine> q+
14:49:09 <kcoyle> ack antoine
14:49:55 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> antoine: as already said, I would not try to define the conditions of when to create a new version
14:50:11 <roba> q+
14:50:26 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:50:36 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> antoine: thisshould be defined by communities/profiles
14:50:37 <Makx> +1 to antoine
14:50:46 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> s/thisshould/this should/
14:50:58 <annette_g> +1 to Antoine
14:51:04 <kcoyle> ack roba
14:51:50 <annette_g> Q+
14:52:04 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> roba: do we want to define a canonical version model or provide a canonical way (hook) to attach whatever model to resource description
14:52:26 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
14:53:01 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> annette_g: allow people to use versioning at level of they needs
14:53:21 <roba> q+
14:53:27 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> annette_g: I do not expect this to be that relevant with regard to search
14:53:31 <kcoyle> ack roba
14:54:30 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> roba: there are situations, where temporal ordering of versions might become important
14:54:31 <annette_g> Q+
14:54:48 <PWinstanley> s/thisshould/this should/
14:54:51 <LarsG> q+
14:54:55 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> roba: simple string might not be suffcient
14:55:00 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
14:55:23 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> annette_g: how far should we go in defining a versioning model?
14:55:47 <PWinstanley> q+
14:56:00 <kcoyle> ack LarsG
14:56:13 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> annette_g: people are used to their versioning methods and their hardly use a prescribed system
14:56:23 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> LarsG: supports annette_g
14:56:43 <kcoyle> q?
14:56:50 <kcoyle> ack PWinstanley
14:56:50 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> LarsG: do we have requirements demanding a structured version model?
14:56:58 <roba> -1 to list of microformats , -1 to prescribing a specific model  :-)
14:58:08 <antoine> q+
14:58:14 <annette_g> Q+
14:58:16 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> PWinstanley: we should provide a conceptual definition of "version" and equelly the out-of-scope def: what is not a version
14:58:20 <kcoyle> ack antoine
14:58:32 <roba> is there a discussion planned around telcon times - now 2am for me after change in times :-(
14:58:36 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> s/equelly/equally/
14:59:13 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> antoine: summarizing Peter's proposal
14:59:32 <LarsG> I definitely don't want to prescribe a specific model but want to emphasise that if we think that something is important (e. g. finding out which is the latest version; finding out if version XY is a predecessor to YX) we should have requirements for that
15:00:02 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> PWinstanley: would we e.g. consider "deduplication" a rationale for version change?
15:00:03 <kcoyle> q?
15:00:13 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1 to Peter to provide some guidance on what should and should not be considered to be a version.
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15:00:57 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> kcoyle: still open, will be dicussed later on
15:01:14 <PWinstanley> s/dicussed/discussed/
15:01:16 <annette_g> Thanks folks!
15:01:24 <antoine> thanks!
15:01:25 <riccardoAlbertoni_> bye thanks
15:01:25 <LarsG> Thanks, bye
15:01:27 <Makx> ok thanks bye bye
15:01:27 <PWinstanley> thanks ... bye!!
15:01:31 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> bye!
15:01:33 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!
15:01:34 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> thanks everybody. bye
15:01:41 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
15:02:05 <AndreaPerego> meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
15:02:17 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2017.10.02
15:02:34 <AndreaPerego> chair: Karen Coyle
15:03:17 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ Simon, Ruben, Caroline, Dave Browning, Alejandra
15:03:20 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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