IRC log of dnt on 2017-09-25

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Meeting: Tracking Protection Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 25 September 2017
16:07:34 [wileys]
One rather significant request - apologies for the late nature of the request...
16:08:08 [wileys]
Is it too late to get a new element added to the UGE submission?
16:08:59 [fielding]
wileys, probably, since that would restart the review
16:09:02 [wileys]
In discussion at the EU ad industry level it was determined a “purpose” dimension of the UGE is missing and will be required for DNT to be a vialble solution in the EU
16:09:43 [fielding]
wileys, I would just use one of the text fields
16:09:56 [wileys]
Okay - not sure what to do at this point then as the EU ad industry is stating DNT is DOA unless this addition is made. How should I approach this?
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16:13:35 [fielding]
[we are discussing this on the phone with Shane, but no scribe]
16:15:08 [fielding]
q+
16:15:29 [schunter]
ack fie
16:15:32 [wileys]
Sure - can raise the issue in CR
16:15:44 [wileys]
Where should I document this?
16:17:16 [wileys]
How would one domain capture consent for two different practices?
16:19:51 [wileys]
Option 1: Use different sub-domains for each purpose
16:20:30 [wileys]
Option 2: Have the consent manager pass the inforrmation in the request to the 3rd party site (store in a cookie?)
16:21:19 [wileys]
Honestly don’t believe either of these will be accepted by industry and they’ll continue to invest in other technical solutions than DNT
16:22:58 [fielding]
I think it is worth exploring as an issue, but given the lack of implementations makes the UGE unusable right now, this is not worth pushing right now.
16:24:46 [dsinger]
q+
16:25:33 [fielding]
BTW, for Option 2, I meant pass it in the URL. If you can set a cookie for the third party, this is already solved.
16:25:58 [wileys]
Roy, if we’re going to still need to use cookies then it is easier to just deal with cookies from the start
16:26:21 [fielding]
I agree, if we can.
16:26:45 [wileys]
True - referencing iOS11 Webkit
16:27:02 [fielding]
I would have preferred to do the entire UGE framefork using parameters and cookies just to get out of this chicken-and-egg problem.
16:28:53 [dsinger]
q?
16:30:50 [wileys]
I’ll do my best to both document the issue and propose several solutions from an industry POV
16:30:57 [wileys]
I have my marching orders :-)
16:31:28 [wileys]
+q
16:31:31 [fielding]
Issues go https://github.com/w3c/dnt/issues
16:31:32 [dsinger]
q-
16:35:24 [wileys]
Sorry for the possible delay :-)
16:35:46 [wileys]
AGREED!
16:37:10 [fielding]
Did we make a formal publish to CR decision?
16:41:01 [schunter]
Consensus: Current draft will be published as revised CR.
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16:41:35 [fielding]
present+
16:42:09 [fielding]
present+ Shane, Matthias, Bert, dsinger
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zakim, list attendees
16:42:24 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been fielding, Shane, Matthias, Bert, dsinger
16:43:26 [Bert]
present+ Jason Novak, Brendan, Alan Toner
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trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
17:20:51 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been fielding, Shane, Matthias, Bert, dsinger, Jason, Novak, Brendan, Alan, Toner
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/25-dnt-minutes.html trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items