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13:51:07 <dsr> what, that’s weird, let me try
13:52:34 <dsr> Hmm, weird, something must have gone wrong!
13:52:59 <dsr> We can use my WebEx room as a fall back
13:53:40 <dsr> https://mit.webex.com/join/draggett
13:55:12 <dsr> can you please try that link and we can then email everyone
13:56:30 <kcoyle> ok, I'm on.
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13:58:49 <LarsG> hi all, do we have consensus on when the meeting will take place?
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14:00:03 <Ruben_Verborgh> Can somebody please help me get on WebEx?
14:00:06 <Ruben_Verborgh> present+
14:00:36 <Ruben_Verborgh> I can't get on https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2017Aug/0066.html
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14:01:18 <Ruben_Verborgh> never mind got the mail
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14:04:10 <roba> i'm gettiong a "meeting cancelled" message on the webex
14:04:24 <antoine> present+ antoine
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14:05:15 <roba> i've checked and cant see any emaiul with a new link - this is via the link in the members only wiki page...
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14:06:23 <roba> well it might take up to an hour for google to do its thing and send it through to me...
14:06:50 <roba> I'll make my apologies now for next week - I'll be travelling
14:07:13 <Ixchel> Hi all. I'm waiting for the lost to admit me
14:07:15 <roba> skype rob_cto_sco
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14:08:28 <LarsG> present+ LarsG
14:09:21 <PWinstanley> @alejandra - please see your email from me
14:10:02 <alejandra> PWinstanley: I replied - link to webex also above
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14:12:49 <annette_g> Present+ annette_g
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14:13:18 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present+
14:13:18 <dsr> present+
14:13:48 <antoine> scribenick: antoine
14:13:55 <antoine> Topic: F2F
14:13:59 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> present+ Stijn_Goedertier_AIV
14:14:02 <PWinstanley> @alejandra - yes thanks.  on slow connection though
14:14:11 <antoine> kcoyle: registration is needed (but it's free)
14:14:27 <antoine> ... deadline is Oct 7
14:14:43 <AndreaPerego> q+
14:14:55 <kcoyle> ack AndreaPerego
14:15:22 <antoine> topic: last week's minutes
14:15:29 <antoine> AndreaPerego: people may not be notes
14:15:34 <antoine> s/notes/noted
14:15:58 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2017/09/11-dxwg-minutes
14:16:01 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/09/11-dxwg-minutes
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14:16:41 <antoine> RESOLVED: approve last week's minutes https://www.w3.org/2017/09/11-dxwg-minutes with adding missing present
14:16:43 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: accept last week's minutes, adding any present that are not recorded
14:16:53 <annette_g> +1
14:17:10 <antoine> Topic: open action items
14:17:23 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:17:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/18-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
14:17:44 <newton> present+
14:18:01 <antoine> Topic: UCR
14:18:17 <dsr> rrsagent, set logs public
14:18:19 <antoine> kcoyle: there's just one content negotiation requirement
14:18:29 <antoine> ... when one uses filter
14:18:52 <dsr> meeting: Data Exchange Working Group Teleconference
14:19:07 <dsr> chair: Karen
14:19:22 <antoine> ACTION: LarsG and Ruben_Verborgh to check requirements for content negotiation
14:19:31 <trackbot> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker.  Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
14:19:52 <antoine> Ruben_Verborgh: I already see that there are tags missing.
14:20:08 <antoine> kcoyle: you can do a pull request if you want to add tags yourself.
14:20:12 <antoine> Ruben_Verborgh: will do
14:20:35 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:20:40 <antoine> kcoyle: next question: adding more tags
14:21:04 <antoine> ... but first: does this tagging/filtering work for the group?
14:21:24 <antoine> ... because the entire group has to agree on this
14:21:35 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:22:02 <antoine> Jaroslav_Pullmann: action 47 to better organize the tagging
14:22:02 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/
14:22:19 <antoine> s/47/37
14:22:26 <antoine> ... there are now changes
14:22:58 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> lost audio again, will retry
14:23:12 <alejandra> it works for me
14:23:16 <antoine> kcoyle: is it ok for others?
14:23:20 <annette_g> Q+
14:23:32 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
14:23:42 <PWinstanley> not looked at yet , but will do soon
14:24:12 <antoine> annette_g: it seems to collapse most of the UC. I still see the description
14:24:49 <antoine> who? : they might not have been tagged
14:24:54 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> audio fails on Chrome and FFox, will restart, sorry for the inconevnience
14:24:54 <antoine> alejandra: yes
14:25:09 <Makx> presnt+ Makx
14:25:10 <Ruben_Verborgh> Added conneg tags here as requested: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/30
14:25:14 <Makx> present+ Makx
14:25:30 <antoine> kcoyle: is there tagging of requirements?
14:25:45 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> back again
14:25:46 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:26:06 <antoine> ... I thought that requirements appeared because of the links to UC
14:26:37 <antoine> roba: requirements will get tagging of their own
14:27:39 <antoine> roba: it's still work in progress
14:27:55 <antoine> ... the main bunch has been done
14:27:59 <AndreaPerego> s/presnt+ Makx//
14:28:06 <antoine> ... we can continue if people are ok
14:28:19 <antoine> kcoyle: we need to see all requirements for DCAT, profiles...
14:28:27 <antoine> ... so that to see that it's complete
14:28:57 <antoine> roba: what is done now is the requirements that are across deliverable.
14:29:09 <antoine> s/deliverable/deliverables
14:29:28 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q?
14:29:32 <antoine> roba: they're group by function not by deliverable now
14:29:47 <antoine> s/group/grouped
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14:30:27 <kcoyle> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/
14:30:47 <antoine> Jaroslav_Pullmann: action 37 about re-organization tags and filtering
14:31:00 <antoine> ... table is gone now, explanation is provided as tooltip
14:31:14 <antoine> ... we can have different groups of tags
14:31:22 <antoine> ... deliverable [etc]
14:32:07 <antoine> kcoyle: people can look and comment via mail
14:32:30 <antoine> Topic: versioning requirements
14:32:41 <antoine> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2017Sep/0034.html
14:32:46 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:32:55 <kcoyle> 1. Provide a definition of version, including how it relates to a dataset distribution.
14:33:41 <antoine> Jaroslav_Pullmann: this is the old wording. Label and content have changed
14:33:55 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> 6.5 Version subject [RVer1]  Identify DCAT resources that are subject to versioning, i.e. Catalog, Dataset, Distribution.
14:34:29 <antoine> kcoyle: it would be great to have a notivation by email Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:34:44 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> audio gone, https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/#RVer1
14:34:50 <AndreaPerego> About versioning, I would also add catalogue records.
14:34:58 <kcoyle> q?
14:35:03 <antoine> q+
14:35:04 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:35:07 <Makx> q+
14:35:10 <kcoyle> ack antoine
14:35:50 <alejandra> maybe change "identify" to "determine"
14:36:02 <kcoyle> ack ?
14:36:05 <kcoyle> q?
14:36:09 <kcoyle> ack Makx
14:36:37 <antoine> antoine: not sure what 'identify' means: giving an identifier or defining what should be versioned
14:36:53 <antoine> kcoyle, alejandra: define or determine, better?
14:36:55 <antoine> antoine: yes
14:37:12 <annette_g> Q+
14:37:18 <antoine> Makx: it is general. 'yes of course' would be my first answer, but what next?
14:37:23 <kcoyle> q?
14:37:49 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> Makx, which req. are you talking about? I lost the sound..
14:37:54 <antoine> Makx: instead of 'version subject', 'version information'?
14:38:09 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:38:13 <PWinstanley> Suggestion:     "what are the target classes for the version predicate?"
14:38:15 <annette_g> Q-
14:38:29 <kcoyle> define DCAT resources for which versioning information is desirable
14:38:36 <PWinstanley> s/target/domain/
14:39:05 <kcoyle> q?
14:39:11 <antoine> Jaroslav_Pullmann: are we talking about catalog/dataset versioning?
14:39:13 <alejandra> q+
14:39:19 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:39:27 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
14:39:31 <antoine> ... identify which DCAT concepts are to be versioned.
14:40:01 <AndreaPerego> What about "entities" instead of "concepts"?
14:40:06 <antoine> alejandra: about the title: I would prefer to have numbering of requirements
14:40:20 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: +1
14:40:30 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
14:40:31 <antoine> ... about 'desirable' maybe we should have the level of requirement
14:40:36 <kcoyle> define DCAT resources for which versioning information is desirable or required
14:40:51 <annette_g> Q+
14:41:15 <antoine> kcoyle: I too would prefer a list of actual requirements
14:41:15 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
14:41:22 <alejandra> AndreaPerego: do you mean "entities" instead of "resources"?
14:41:23 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> @Karen - are the headings in this "nominal style" better suited?
14:41:39 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:41:42 <AndreaPerego> yep, alejandra
14:41:42 <antoine> annette_g: it's a requirement for defining a requirement?
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14:41:51 <antoine> kcoyle: yes it's meta
14:41:53 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: don't you mean classes of entity?
14:42:10 <alejandra> q+
14:42:14 <roba> sorry - dropped internet :-(
14:42:18 <AndreaPerego> Well, I'd go just for "entities", PWinstanley
14:42:33 <antoine> annette_g: who defines the actual requirement?
14:42:52 <antoine> kcoyle: I thought it was up to the DCAT group
14:42:54 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:42:57 <antoine> roba: we need a definition
14:43:09 <Makx> q+
14:43:41 <antoine> annette_g: I don't disagree but it should be done at the right level (group or sub-group)
14:43:54 <antoine> kcoyle: the DCAT group needs to report back to the main group
14:44:00 <antoine> ... we get a say
14:44:37 <antoine> annette_g: I'm afraid that we'd end up doing more than what we need to do
14:44:52 <antoine> ... ie. do a separate kind of versioning for each of the concepts.
14:45:14 <antoine> ... we need to reckognize it's a requirement-level discussion
14:45:39 <alejandra> the requirement level belongs to the application profiles IMO
14:45:47 <antoine> kcoyle: we can have a group action to decide on the level, and then ask the sub-group to come with a proposal
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14:45:58 <antoine> annette_g: this could be ok
14:46:35 <antoine> Jaroslav_Pullmann: there might be different considerations e.g. for datasets.
14:47:15 <antoine> ... once we know what we are going to version, we need to do definitions on what will change.
14:47:35 <roba> q+
14:47:45 <antoine> kcoyle: it's the second step that we need to pay attention to.
14:47:53 <antoine> ... I'm not sure it's included in the current reqs
14:47:56 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:48:01 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
14:48:21 <antoine> alejandra: we're still looking at requirements to identify vocabulary
14:48:37 <antoine> ... and defining whether it's required belong to different APs
14:48:45 <kcoyle> ack Makx
14:49:07 <antoine> Makx: the different requirements could be a charter for the DCAT sub-group
14:49:22 <antoine> ... our programme for that group
14:49:52 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:49:54 <kcoyle> ack roba
14:49:57 <antoine> ... for 6.5 do we decide at this point to exclude versioning of catalogue records?
14:50:22 <antoine> roba: it wasn't clear to me whether the final solution was going to be in DCAT or APs
14:50:45 <antoine> ... I thought that there would be hooks/properties in DCAT, simply.
14:51:10 <antoine> ... I support the proposal that the DCAT sub-group should offer this.
14:51:59 <antoine> kcoyle: so we have modified the wording of the 1st req. Shall we look at the 2nd?
14:52:30 <kcoyle> Provide a conceptual definition of what is considered a version with regard to modifications of the respective subject. The definition should provide a clear guidance on conditions, type and severity of a resource's update that motivate the creation of a new version in scenarios like dataset evolution, conversion, translations etc.
14:52:59 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:52:59 <antoine> kcoyle: very related to the 1st req
14:53:07 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:53:41 <antoine> Jaroslav_Pullmann: we need to say what we can consider to be a version - what motivates the creation of a new version.
14:54:03 <roba> q+
14:54:03 <antoine> kcoyle: you think it's a decision that should be made in DCAT rather than in APs?
14:54:04 <annette_g> Q+
14:54:08 <antoine> q+
14:54:12 <kcoyle> ack roba
14:54:21 <antoine> roba: it should be pending off to profiles
14:54:46 <alejandra> q+
14:54:58 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
14:55:08 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:55:09 <antoine> annette_g: profiles are the places to be specific
14:55:21 <kcoyle> ack antoine
14:55:22 <antoine> ... we need to point at the right places
14:55:46 <alejandra> antoine: I also agree. I don't like the idea because if the criteria is different it can bring several issues for interoperability
14:55:56 <antoine> ... but we have no choice
14:56:07 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
14:56:24 <antoine> alejandra: I also agree. We need to be more specific about the scenarios we want to deal with.
14:56:49 <antoine> ... it's risky to let them imprecise
14:56:53 <roba> q+
14:57:11 <antoine> kcoyle: determining which scenarios need versioning?
14:57:34 <antoine> alejandra: yes
14:57:55 <antoine> kcoyle: it sounds like a re-writing is needed
14:58:05 <antoine> alejandra: first solution would be to remove the 'etc'
14:58:21 <antoine> ... need to go back to the UCs
14:58:37 <antoine> roba: we're not making assumptions that there's a single profile
14:58:50 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:58:53 <antoine> ... but that there can be several profiles and we give guidance for that.
14:59:00 <kcoyle> ack roba
14:59:02 <antoine> ... so we don't need to enumerate them all.
14:59:13 <antoine> q+
14:59:22 <PWinstanley> q+
14:59:36 <antoine> alejandra: how to we satisfy the requirement then?
15:00:01 <kcoyle> ack antoine
15:00:11 <antoine> roba: we don't need to be complete
15:00:11 <kcoyle> ack PWinstanley
15:00:16 <alejandra> antoine: I agree with roba - etc can be used to handle cases where there are several options
15:00:45 <antoine> PWinstanley: it's helpful to work out what the model for DCAT is
15:00:47 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1 @Peter
15:00:55 <antoine> ... the versioning predicates.
15:01:07 <roba> +1
15:01:29 <antoine> kcoyle: could you attempt to re-write so that we can discuss it in mail?
15:01:30 <PWinstanley> will try
15:01:40 <PWinstanley> yes please
15:02:02 <antoine> ACTION: PWinstanley to suggest a re-write of RVer2 "version definition"
15:02:02 <trackbot> Error finding 'PWinstanley'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/users>.
15:03:19 <alejandra> thanks and bye!
15:03:19 <annette_g> Bye folks!
15:03:20 <LarsG> Thanks, bye
15:03:21 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!
15:03:22 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
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15:04:45 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ David Browning, Thomas D’haenens
15:05:02 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2017.09.18
15:05:12 <AndreaPerego> rrsagent, make minutes v2
15:05:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/18-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
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