previous minutes https://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html

<scribe> ScribeNick: addison

Agenda

Action Items

https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

action-636?

<trackbot> action-636 -- Addison Phillips to Update floating times q+a to address confusing section at end -- due 2017-07-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/636

close action-636

<trackbot> Closed action-636.

action-650?

<trackbot> action-650 -- Addison Phillips to Write to remote playback and indicate that we are satisfied and our review is in fact complete -- due 2017-09-14 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/650

close action-650

<trackbot> Closed action-650.

action-651?

<trackbot> action-651 -- Richard Ishida to Shorten the list of pending/closed items and reissue for next telecon discussion -- due 2017-09-14 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/651

close action-651

<trackbot> Closed action-651.

Info Share

addison: to be in Amman, Jordan

richard: just written outline for a course for the w3c edx program
... something like "writing html in arabic/for arabic users"

<r12a> TPAC AV https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2017JulSep/0149.html

<scribe> ACTION: addison: ensure that our TPAC AV request is filed [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/14-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-652 - Ensure that our tpac av request is filed [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-09-21].

<r12a> https://r12a.github.io/app-keyevents/

richard: just today uploaded a new applet
... key even monitor
... had one years ago, but updated to match key-events
... gives info about what info key event object has stored
... could be handy for key events spec
... also grappling with accesskey
... just writing tests
... finding diff results
... things we want to mention in html spec
... also reviewing wcag spec
... likely some input there
... and possibly ui events spec
... they don' tmention what happens when key produces more than one char
... shift-A produces diacritic with a base character together
... in FF and Safari, they key event .key value becomes both
... but chrome only the last one
... needs more testing

jck: will miss next weeks call

andrew: want to talk sometime about how key event monitoring

richard: want more documentation?

andrew: trying different keyboards, typing same key

richard: key should give you the character that keyboard produces
... and code should give you the same thing, like KEY D
... and modifiers tells whether you pressed shift/alt/ctrl/meta

andrew: third party input frameworks don't produce anything
... and mac viet keyboard
... some getting dead as a result
... how keyboards work across plafs will be different (e.g. viet)

Radar

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Sep/0004.html

request for DNT review

richard: a request to review WCAG 2.1
... additions to previous ver
... working through and raising issues
... didn't put a WCAG label in radar yet

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Awcag

richard: but issues at above link

http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/

richard: mention that Bert has been doing some

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/notes/language-matrix.html

richard: language matrix
... scroll down you'll see Dutch

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/latn-nl

richard: gap analysis of Dutch
... tricky question we need to figure out answer to
... for notes/footnotes/running heads/etc.
... those features are not available in any browsers at the moment
... how do we mark up?
... color gray? doesn't indicate work there. but orange or green... really looking for i18n specific things

addison: diff between broken-and-unimpl vs. unimpl?

richard: want to know the difference
... spec vs. impl issue, maybe use a different symbol

Issue Review

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2017JulSep/0101.html

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/400

addison: I can forward it
... they're not likely to do anything with it

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/413

jck: valid vs. invalid utf-8 codes, reference encoding is probably a good idea

forward with ref to encoding preferred

richard: if point to something, point to encoding?

jck: wfm

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/399

forward

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/385

richard: these are issues that have been raised sometime ago
... fantasai asked me to go through for dispositino of comments
... where input needed, marked as pending
... discussion already there, but we haven't take initiative
... need to read thread and make contributions

addison: need tracking label?

richard: send email around asking for input

<scribe> ACTION: richard: send email about default stylesheet for emphasis marks (issue 385) seeking input [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/14-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-653 - Send email about default stylesheet for emphasis marks (issue 385) seeking input [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-09-21].

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/388

richard: all of these are the same, will list all of them

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/378

not i18n

joc to raise as individual issue

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/379

no objections, forward

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/377

forward

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/351

forward

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/350

addison: is this talking about a paste operation?
... capture the direction context
... may want to recreate direction on a full para, but not if inserted into a larger context

richard: asking to have a discussion
... discuss with input events people

forward

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/349

forward

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/211

richard: about delete word backwards/forwards

jck: also the question about which direction 'forwards' and 'backwards' means

addison: logical order?
... logically preceeding the caret

andrew: LTR text with page order is influenced by arabic (bound left)

richard: really interesting, can you send info to list?

forward

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/210

forward

<r12a> ACTION: Richard to forward all comments we discussed during telecon. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/14-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-654 - Forward all comments we discussed during telecon. [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-09-21].

AOB?

richard: will shorten list again
... I'm knee deep in apples, please come pick some up