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<joanie> agenda: this
<joanie> agenda: be done
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JM furiously doing sanity checks, cleanup, on CORE AM
JD: now in excellent shape, creating testable stmts
<jongund> Having trouble gettting into webex
JD: so far, 172 different test
files
... 2 different UA on Mac and Linux. Plans more as CfC
announce
... we really{3} need to move on this
... needs to move in time for tpac. Dependency mess is holding
ARIA1.1 back
... Must do: CfC *tomorrow*
... will review and +1, go to CR
... what do you recommend for mandate?
MC: 5 days should be ok
JD: can I issue today?
... 5 business days from now?
MK: 48 hours, expire next wed
MC: think we should give WG
enough time to transition, be ready by next thurs
... give until wed, 4 BD
... we should give people time to object
JD: will output today, after this
meeting 🎉
... any questions?
JD: 302 to MC
MC: APTF, this is really a
formalisation
... there's some infra behind a TF, and more formal
tracking
... Matt agreed, and so why not make TF
... enable it to do what it's doing already
... Jason said "does this mean I can still do stuff without
joining TF", yes
... if member of public, then yes. Github contributors too
[MK]: main reason is to see more contributions from members from the public, have a community group
MC: work statement is boring, "work on Authoring PRactices" mostly copied from spec abstract
JG: what would be the purpose of the community group, who would run it?
MK: We would not need separate meeting for CG. Main reason is to have people help contribute as community group
MC: All contributors'd need is
W3C account
... not put patented material in this, that's our catch all.
There's some automation for that
MK: Only thing is a formal change from CG to TF
JG: Is this still part of ARIA WG?
MC: subgroup, as it was
before
... no real difference, we could potentially set up some things
that you can join, tracker, wiki... tooling. But not
mandatory
... aside from that, just increase of formal tracking
MK: Do we need a CfC?
MC: Yeah, if it's to be approved. Joanie put it on agenda to force me to write work statement
MK: If no objections, move fwd
JD: will put that out today as well
JD: this is to mull over
... related to fact that we have proposal for new TF, and
personalisation
... most ppl do their own thing, & that's good
... and we might need a bit more formal reporting
... and have updates at the Thurs WG meeting
... how to TF's feel about it?
MK: having predictable agenda is
good
... soliciting feedback is good
... could be useful.
JD: will e-mail others to see how
they feel
... AAPI might come back to life
MK: would find it helpful to have CSS, and API & personalisation milestone info. Touch base, see what other groups are doing
JD: agrees
<joanie> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017
JD: working on wiki. HAve agenda
points coming up
... hopes lots of people show up
... has lots of sad hacks
... we can automate so much, and a lot of stuff that's been
keeping us really busy
... I have solutions for that
... in time for TPAC
... stuff will become more streamlined
... lisa e-mailed me to say that she wonders if she can get
some meeting space and time
... and the CSS a11y TF, and new authoring TF, I dunno what ppl
need so I added TF needs wiki
... if you need stuff, let us know
... put it in le wiki
... need something on the agenda? put it in the wiki
... need a meeting space? put it in the wiki
... on the 1.2 stuff, we're gonna meet with [?] folks and Web
Platform folks
MK: One question for RS, you were talking about deeper involvement on the part of AT Vendors
MK they were starting to commit and be interested in contributing
MK: do we have anybody planning
to participate with TPAC on that?
... would be good to discuss things F2F with AT devs
RS: some devs left (James Teh left NVDA)
<jongund> JG: I will not be at TPAC, but could attend remotely for some session if important
RS: possibility that he would
go
... I can reach out to Glenn Gordon, see if some CFO
comes
... happy to reach out to James Teh
MK: there are issues on GH,
whiteboard time, confusion between combobox and select
... readonly comboboxes, selects, how SR may or may not handle
autocomplete values
... and with the new combobox patterns we have thorny
things
... we could save a lot of time by getting the right folks
together
... would love that
RS: Also have Joanie who works on
Orca
... What about MS? Larry White?
... Unlikely to get Apple folks
MK: will give James a ping
... might be a good time
JD: will happily delegate
... added on Wiki, agenda point relevant about AT vendor
interaction
JG: would be easier to get to Toronto than TPAC. Early 2018 would be easier to attend
JD: Are you coming to TPAC JG?
JG: Unfortunately not
JD: shoutout to JG
... tomorrow JG, I can send you link to CORE-AAM testable
statements
... next week,can you generate reports?
JG: public test server reports?
JD: yeah
JG: they broke it somewhere
... haven't been able to fix the prob
RS: have2go
JG: will hopefully soon get stuff for [events?] working
JD: will help if you can e-mail me error
JG: pretty booked up today,
booked on projects rn
... will use public test server
JD: still checking things
JG: will be good to discuss
separation between MSAA and IA2
... only diff for testing is that I look at whether it gets the
role from MSAA or IA2
... otherwise, querying no diff. Properties API queries
both
... seems like things couldbe simplified
... Not for now tho
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