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16:40:20 <joanie> agenda?
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16:40:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
16:40:25 <trackbot> Date: 07 September 2017
16:40:32 <joanie> Zakim, clear agenda
16:40:32 <Zakim> agenda cleared
16:41:27 <joanie> agenda: this
16:41:27 <joanie> agenda+ Advancing Core AAM to CR (finally)
16:41:27 <joanie> agenda+ Creating an Authoring Practices task force
16:41:27 <joanie> agenda+ Task force updates
16:41:28 <joanie> agenda+ TPAC
16:41:29 <joanie> agenda+ ARIA 1.1 "actions / status" check in
16:41:32 <joanie> agenda: be done
16:41:38 <joanie> agenda?
16:42:15 <joanie> scribeOptions: -final
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16:59:56 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
17:00:39 <jkva> present+ jkva
17:00:53 <jkva> scribe jkva
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17:04:47 <jkva> zakim, next item
17:04:47 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Advancing Core AAM to CR (finally)" taken up [from joanie]
17:04:49 <janina> present+
17:05:16 <Stefan> present+
17:05:19 <jkva> JM furiously doing sanity checks, cleanup, on CORE AM
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17:05:35 <jkva> JM: now in excellent shape, creating testable stmts
17:05:48 <jongund> Having trouble gettting into webex
17:05:50 <jkva> JM: so far, 172 different test files
17:06:11 <jkva> JM: 2 different UA on Mac and Linux. Plans more as CfC announce
17:06:20 <jkva> JM: we really{3} need to move on this
17:06:38 <jkva> JM: needs to move in time for tpac. Dependency mess is holding ARIA1.1 back
17:06:48 <jkva> JM: Must do: CfC *tomorrow*
17:07:09 <mck> present+ Matt_King
17:07:11 <jkva> JM: will review and +1, go to CR
17:07:48 <jkva> JM: what do you recommend for mandate?
17:07:58 <jkva> MC: 5 days should be ok
17:08:08 <jkva> JM: can I issue today?
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17:08:38 <jkva> JM: 5 business days from now?
17:08:54 <jkva> MK: 48 hours, expire next wed
17:09:14 <jkva> MC: think we should give WG enough time to transition, be ready by next thurs
17:09:23 <jkva> MC: give until wed, 4 BD
17:09:39 <jkva> MC: we should give people time to object
17:09:58 <jkva> JM: will output today, after this meeting 🎉
17:10:01 <jkva> JM: any questions?
17:10:15 <jkva> zakim, next item
17:10:15 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Creating an Authoring Practices task force" taken up [from joanie]
17:10:30 <jkva> JM: 302 to MC
17:10:57 <joanie> s/JM:/JD:/g
17:11:10 <jkva> MC: APTF, this is really a formalisation
17:11:23 <jkva> MC: there's some infra behind a TF, and more formal tracking
17:11:30 <jkva> MC: Matt agreed, and so why not make TF
17:11:40 <jkva> MC: enable it to do what it's doing already
17:12:04 <jkva> MC: Jason said "does this mean I can still do stuff without joining TF", yes
17:12:22 <jkva> MC: if member of public, then yes. Github contributors too
17:12:58 <jkva> [??]: main reason is to see more contributions from members from the public, have a community group
17:13:19 <jkva> MC: work statement is boring, "work on Authoring PRactices" mostly copied from spec abstract
17:13:22 <joanie> s/??/MK/
17:13:58 <jkva> JG: what would be the purpose of the community group, who would run it?
17:14:41 <jkva> MK: We would not need separate meeting for CG. Main reason is to have people help contribute as community group
17:15:08 <jkva> MC: All contributors'd need is W3C account
17:15:57 <jkva> MC: not put patented material in this, that's our catch all. There's some automation for that
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17:16:35 <jkva> MK: Only thing is a formal change from CG to TF
17:16:50 <jkva> JG: Is this still part of ARIA WG?
17:17:07 <jkva> MC: subgroup, as it was before
17:17:51 <jkva> MC: no real difference, we could potentially set up some things that you can join, tracker, wiki... tooling. But not mandatory
17:17:58 <jkva> MC: aside from that, just increase of formal tracking
17:18:11 <jkva> MK: Do we need a CfC?
17:18:33 <jkva> MC: Yeah, if it's to be approved. Joanie put it on agenda to force me to write work statement
17:18:52 <jkva> MK: If no objections, move fwd
17:19:00 <jkva> JD: will put that out today as well
17:19:44 <jkva> zakim, next item
17:19:44 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Task force updates" taken up [from joanie]
17:20:25 <jkva> JD: this is to mull over
17:20:38 <jkva> JD: related to fact that we have proposal for new TF, and personalisation
17:20:47 <jkva> JD: most ppl do their own thing, & that's good
17:21:00 <jkva> JD: and we might need a bit more formal reporting
17:21:11 <jkva> JD: and have updates at the Thurs WG meeting
17:21:33 <jkva> JD: how to TF's feel about it?
17:21:43 <jkva> MK: having predictable agenda is good
17:21:58 <jkva> MK: soliciting feedback is good
17:22:05 <jkva> MK: could be useful.
17:22:19 <jkva> JD: will e-mail others to see how they feel
17:22:36 <jkva> JD: AAPI might come back to life
17:23:26 <jkva> MK: would find it helpful to have CSS, and API & personalisation milestone info. Touch base, see what other groups are doing
17:23:34 <jkva> JD: agrees
17:23:57 <jkva> zakim, next item
17:23:57 <Zakim> agendum 5. "ARIA 1.1 "actions / status" check in" taken up [from joanie]
17:24:08 <joanie> agenda?
17:24:24 <joanie> zakim, take up item 4
17:24:24 <Zakim> agendum 4. "TPAC" taken up [from joanie]
17:24:42 <joanie> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017
17:25:33 <jkva> JD: working on wiki. HAve agenda points coming up
17:25:37 <jkva> JD: hopes lots of people show up
17:25:43 <jkva> JD: has lots of sad hacks
17:26:10 <jkva> JD: we can automate so much, and a lot of stuff that's been keeping us really busy
17:26:14 <jkva> JD: I have solutions for that
17:26:20 <jkva> JD: in time for TPAC
17:26:34 <jkva> JD: stuff will become more streamlined
17:26:51 <jkva> JD: lisa e-mailed me to say that she wonders if she can get some meeting space and time
17:27:10 <jkva> JD: and the CSS a11y TF, and new authoring TF, I dunno what ppl need so I added TF needs wiki
17:27:22 <jkva> JD: if you need stuff, let us know
17:27:30 <jkva> JD: put it in le wiki
17:27:42 <jkva> JD: need something on the agenda? put it in the wiki
17:27:50 <jkva> JD: need a meeting space? put it in the wiki
17:28:08 <jkva> JD: on the 1.2 stuff, we're gonna meet with [?] folks and Web Platform folks
17:28:39 <jkva> MK: One question for RS, you were talking about deeper involvement on the part of AT Vendors
17:28:51 <jkva> MK they were starting to commit and be interested in contributing
17:29:15 <jkva> MK: do we have anybody planning to participate with TPAC on that?
17:29:26 <jkva> MK: would be good to discuss things F2F with AT devs
17:29:42 <jkva> RS: some devs left (James Teh left NVDA)
17:29:43 <jongund> JG: I will not be at TPAC, but could attend remotely for some session if important
17:29:55 <jkva> RS: possibility that he would go
17:30:03 <jkva> RS: I can reach out to Glenn Gordon, see if some CFO comes
17:30:29 <jkva> RS: happy to reach out to [?]
17:30:52 <MichaelC_> s/[?]/James Teh/
17:31:11 <jkva> MK: there are issues on GH, whiteboard time, confusion between combobox and select
17:31:36 <jkva> MK: readonly comboboxes, selects, how SR may or may not handle autocomplete values
17:31:45 <jkva> MK: and with the new combobox patterns we have thorny things
17:31:56 <jkva> MK: we could save a lot of time by getting the right folks together
17:32:02 <jkva> MK: would love that
17:32:14 <jkva> RS: Also have Joanie who works on Orca
17:32:24 <jkva> RS: What about MS? Larry White?
17:33:22 <jkva> RS: Unlikely to get Apple folks
17:33:33 <jkva> MK: will give James a ping
17:33:43 <jkva> MK: might be a good time
17:33:48 <jkva> JD: will happily delegate
17:34:00 <jkva> JD: added on Wiki, agenda point relevant about AT vendor interaction
17:36:26 <jkva> JG: would be easier to get to Toronto than TPAC. Early 2018 would be easier to attend
17:36:34 <jkva> JD: Are you coming to TPAC JG?
17:36:41 <jkva> JG: Unfortunately not
17:39:06 <jkva> zakim, next item
17:39:06 <Zakim> agendum 5. "ARIA 1.1 "actions / status" check in" taken up [from joanie]
17:39:20 <jkva> JD: shoutout to JG
17:39:33 <jkva> JD: tomorrow JG, I can send you link to CORE-AAM testable statements
17:39:44 <jkva> JD: next week,can you generate reports?
17:39:49 <jkva> JG: public test server reports?
17:39:52 <jkva> JD: yeah
17:40:05 <jkva> JG: they broke it somewhere
17:40:22 <jkva> JG: haven't been able to fix the prob
17:40:33 <jkva> RS: have2go
17:41:05 <jkva> JG: will hopefully soon get stuff for [events?] working
17:41:12 <jkva> JD: will help if you can e-mail me error
17:41:29 <jkva> JG: pretty booked up today, booked on projects rn
17:41:39 <jkva> JG: will use public test server
17:41:52 <jkva> JD: still checking things
17:43:00 <jkva> JG: will be good to discuss separation between MSAA and IA2
17:43:13 <jkva> JG: only diff for testing is that I look at whether it gets the role from MSAA or IA2
17:43:32 <jkva> JG: otherwise, querying no diff. Properties API queries both
17:43:48 <jkva> JG: seems like things couldbe simplified
17:44:03 <jkva> JG: Not for now tho
17:44:22 <jkva> zakim, agenda?
17:44:22 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
17:44:23 <Zakim> 5. ARIA 1.1 "actions / status" check in [from joanie]
17:45:08 <jkva> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:45:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-aria-minutes.html jkva
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