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16:50:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Authentication Working Group Teleconference
16:50:17 <trackbot> Date: 06 September 2017
16:50:23 <weiler> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webauthn/2017Sep/0034.html
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17:04:34 <weiler> chair: nadalin, jfontana
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17:07:18 <jcj_moz> scribenick: angelo
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17:08:39 <angelo> JeffH hasn't had time to work on 498
17:08:54 <angelo> 539 is ongoing
17:09:29 <jfontana> Rolf will take this up this week
17:10:58 <jeffh> topic: https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/544
17:11:48 <jeffh> angelo: wondering about how to handle user switching tabs
17:12:01 <jeffh> jcj_moz: <relates how they handle in FF>
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17:13:16 <jeffh> angelo: there's the new abort feature in the DOM, as far as he knows, FF implements it
17:13:36 <jeffh> ... talked with akshay and it is difficult to avoid race conditions in edge+windows
17:13:50 <jeffh> ... will be different for every platform+browser
17:14:15 <jeffh> gmandyam: will this work the same if we ever enable webauthn with service workers?
17:15:02 <jeffh> jcj_moz: will be different -- they dont get backgrounded. with tabs they are checking visibility, but svc wkrs dont have that notion...... but 'visibility' is always visible (?) so might just work....
17:15:17 <jfontana> JC: Tab switch will need a special case for service workers
17:15:51 <jeffh> angelo: one of the dom events might help.... tho a document might be in a  iframe, checking visibility might affect performance....
17:15:53 <jcj_moz> fwiw, https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f7a53ff2f8cb is the Firefox implementation
17:16:41 <jeffh> angelo will revise PR #544
17:19:22 <jcj_moz> link: https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3AWD-07
17:21:27 <jeffh> thanks jcj_moz
17:21:49 <jeffh> that is the view I was obtaining and that Tony was not seeing for some reason....
17:29:49 <jeffh> topic link?
17:30:09 <jfontana> #125?
17:31:31 <jeffh> topic: authenticator nonce portion of PR #539 -- https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/pull/539
17:33:19 <jeffh> angelo: raising the procedural issues of not having us discuss the protocol details here in W3C
17:35:41 <jeffh> rolf: notes that the assertion format is defined in the webauthn spec, and the ctap spec is only about the transport protocols between authnrs and the platform
17:36:55 <jfontana> tony. send issue to the list
17:44:35 <jfontana> no.
17:44:37 <jfontana> no
17:45:48 <jfontana> topic: 540 editorial.
17:46:04 <jfontana> Angelo will create a PR
17:47:02 <jfontana> jeffH: this also needs to get addressed in CTAP spec also
17:49:03 <jeffh> gmandyam: wondering about the "cancel operation" issues -- and promises cannont be aborted in ecmascript, how are we doing this?
17:49:19 <jfontana> Tony: there are still some issues we need to call through for CR
17:49:19 <jeffh> angelo: see the PR#544, it is a new DOM feature...
17:49:40 <jfontana> tony: we left off at 184. I am now on CR issues right now
17:50:19 <WD07> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/milestone/3
17:50:34 <jeffh> topic: https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/milestone/3
17:50:46 <jfontana> topic: #204
17:51:09 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/204\
17:51:22 <jfontana> also related to #184
17:52:03 <jfontana> tony: is there still a concern here? we;ll leave it on the list for now
17:52:22 <jfontana> tony: i'll update it.
17:52:47 <jfontana> topic: #210 everyone will review.
17:52:54 <jfontana> topic: #217
17:53:10 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/217
17:53:17 <jfontana> jeffH is looking at this.
17:53:44 <jfontana> topic: https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/227
17:54:04 <jfontana> jeffH: i need to eval. to see if it is still a problem
17:54:53 <jfontana> Giri says he will look at this issue.  based on my understanding, the user agent are going to drop this extension in initial releases
17:55:08 <jfontana> giri: this is my assumption going into creating a proposal
17:55:10 <jeffh> s/giri/gmandyam/
17:55:14 <jfontana> angleo: I agree.
17:55:24 <jfontana> topic: #231
17:55:33 <jfontana> https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/231
17:55:39 <jfontana> tony is this still valid>
17:55:53 <jfontana> angelo: i don't think so. tony will assign to angelo to close
17:56:18 <jfontana> topic: https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/233
17:56:38 <jfontana> jeffH this is valid and we still need to address it. right now authN data in a table.
17:56:48 <jfontana> jeffH: this items need to be named?
17:57:43 <jfontana> jeffH: I believe cleanup is needed here.
17:58:08 <jfontana> tony: I believe #248 is no longer valid.
17:58:33 <jfontana> JeffH: let me add it to my list. He will close it if it is no longer valid.
17:59:19 <jfontana> topic: https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/257
17:59:31 <jfontana> will be closed
17:59:50 <jfontana> topic #280 https://github.com/w3c/webauthn/issues/280
18:00:25 <jfontana> jeffH: our language is confusing in places, needs to clarify. worth looking into
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18:00:36 <jfontana> topic: #294
18:00:40 <jfontana> jeffH; same
18:01:27 <jfontana> topic #296
18:01:42 <jfontana> jeffH we need to explain things can be managed by an authenticator
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