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13:16:41 <lisa> present+
13:17:21 <lisa> agenda: this
13:17:23 <lisa> agenda+  updates on personlization TF, TPAC,  https://docs.google.com/document/d/13hmoaVU563kTio1EZD5mbNxcc0k924qVdZZwWckcbu0/edit# and https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/
13:17:24 <lisa> agenda+ Disseminating the next WCAG working draft
13:17:26 <lisa> agenda+ the supplement, moving forward
13:17:27 <lisa>  agenda+  new issue papers!! updates on bots and navigation
13:17:29 <lisa> agenda+ be done
13:17:31 <lisa> regrets: EA, Neil
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14:00:03 <JohnRochford> present+ JohnRochford
14:00:18 <JohnRochford> present+ lisa
14:11:26 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit#
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14:12:55 <AndyHeath> test
14:12:56 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit#
14:17:47 <AndyHeath> q+
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14:25:22 <JohnRochford> Good persona examples: http://rosenfeldmedia.com/a-web-for-everyone/personas-for-accessible-ux/
14:25:29 <Pietro> Present+
14:25:37 <Jan> present+ JanMcSorley
14:26:18 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit#
14:27:13 <JohnRochford> Lisa: There are places that need all COGA info in one place, such as education organizations.
14:28:00 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Our roadmap is designed to have all info in one place.
14:28:21 <JohnRochford> Draft roadmap: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit#
14:29:41 <AndyHeath> q+
14:29:48 <JohnRochford> Lisa: References to persona and mapping them to user needs are important for the roadmap.
14:30:56 <JohnRochford> Andy: Why are persona in front of user needs?
14:31:24 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I just moved persona to after user needs.
14:31:42 <JohnRochford> Andy: I would tend to use persona to illustrate user needs.
14:32:31 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I have identified themes. We don't want them to overlap.
14:33:28 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I separated feedback from help and support.
14:34:25 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Themes make the roadmap seem more manageable.
14:35:09 <JohnRochford> Lisa: User testing and feedback are very important.
14:36:21 <lisa> q?
14:36:31 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Critical services must do user testing.
14:36:33 <lisa> ack a
14:36:37 <Jan> q+
14:37:02 <Jan> https://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/people-use-web/diversity
14:38:20 <JohnRochford> Jan: Perhaps the roadmap doc could link to the Diversity of Web Users doc at https://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/people-use-web/diversity
14:38:43 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I have a lot of questions about this document.
14:39:45 <JohnRochford> Lisa: My take is that the doc needs a lot of work.
14:40:40 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We need to reach out to the authors to see if we can collaboratively edit it.
14:42:35 <JohnRochford> Lisa: The next thing to do is to review the themes, and see if there are any sections that need to be added.
14:44:27 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We need a broader spectrum of personas, such as programers with autism.
14:45:20 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Pietro, please put any comments into the IRC window.
14:46:20 <JohnRochford> Lisa: The next draft of 2.1 is likely to be published next week, and early next week.
14:47:30 <JohnRochford> Jan: There are organizations in the U.S. to which we can distribue.
14:47:54 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I suggest we pick up the phone and speak to people.
14:47:54 <lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/
14:48:10 <Pietro> "diversity of abilities" is an old terminology
14:49:03 <lisa> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/labels/COGA
14:49:30 <JohnRochford> WCAG will be accepting feedback from external groups and people, not from TF members.
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14:50:18 <lisa> AAA should be AA
14:50:20 <lisa> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%20label%3ACOGA%20
14:51:54 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Support personalization got a new name: common controls.
14:52:17 <JohnRochford> Lisa: It's a risk. People should say they like it.
14:52:21 <lisa> people should give feeding back that something is appolise
14:52:34 <lisa> important
14:54:36 <JohnRochford> Gotta go, folks. Ciao.
14:54:49 <lisa> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/index.html
14:55:11 <lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/
14:56:11 <Pietro> OK
14:57:25 <Pietro> I have time problems
15:01:22 <lisa> rrsagent, make logs public
15:01:30 <lisa> rrsagent, create minutes
15:01:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/08/31-coga-minutes.html lisa
15:02:02 <lisa> zakim, please part
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15:02:04 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been lisa, JohnRochford, Pietro, JanMcSorley
15:02:23 <lisa> rrsagent, please part
15:02:23 <RRSAgent> I see no action items