IRC log of silver on 2017-08-25

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Meeting: Silver Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 25 August 2017

13:35:33 [SarahHorton]

present+

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present+ Jan

13:36:05 [Lauriat]

agenda?

13:36:17 [SarahHorton]

present+ Jeanne, Dave, Shawn, Jan

13:36:44 [sloandr]

I'd like to propose we talk about a plan for surveying other stakeholders

13:37:05 [SarahHorton]

scribe: Sarah

13:37:13 [sloandr]

present+

13:38:34 [SarahHorton]

Jeanne: follow-up on diary participants, heard from Andrew Arch who expects to have a participant

13:38:51 [SarahHorton]

Jeanne: Jemma is reaching out to someone in Korea

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Chair: Shawn

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Jeanne: Has not heard back from contact in Japan

13:39:45 [SarahHorton]

action: Jeanne to contact more people in Japan to recruit people for diary study

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Created ACTION-116 - Contact more people in japan to recruit people for diary study [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2017-09-01].

13:39:56 [SarahHorton]

present+ Jennison

13:40:13 [SarahHorton]

Jennison: Do we have an update on compensation

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Jeanne: No guarantee, will reach out to contact

13:41:12 [SarahHorton]

action: Jeanne to contact Amazon for gift card compensation for diary study

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Created ACTION-117 - Contact amazon for gift card compensation for diary study [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2017-09-01].

13:42:07 [SarahHorton]

Jeanne: Reminder that Dave Swallow would like to start study Sept 1

13:42:27 [SarahHorton]

Jennison: Assuming he will start the following week

13:43:06 [SarahHorton]

Jeanne: Has drafted proposal for three interview projects, on Google Drive

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Dave: Has put thoughts into Google Drive in surveys subfolder

13:45:09 [SarahHorton]

Dave: Have survey of UX professionals

13:45:26 [SarahHorton]

Dave: Have standard demographic questions

13:45:38 [SarahHorton]

Dave: Have other questions about usability of SCs

13:45:47 [SarahHorton]

Dave: We have translation support

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Dave: We have a big list of names of stakeholders

13:46:40 [SarahHorton]

Dave: Used that list as basis for determining stakeholder groups

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Dave: Reads out list of stakeholder groups, could become list of people we could survey

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Dave: Also listed research questions that could be explored using surveys

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Dave: Reviewed next steps

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Dave: 1 Prioritise stakeholder groups to survey

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Dave: 2 Populate the question bank with questions that could be asked of more than one stakeholder group

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Dave: 3 Write stakeholder-specific questions

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Dave: 4 Identify distribution plan

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Dave: 5 QA survey

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Dave: 6 Create Translated version

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Dave: 7 Launch survey

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Dave: 8 Analysis

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Dave: Finally, log survey design and progress

13:54:27 [SarahHorton]

Dave: Purpose was to gather thoughts and start a conversation within group about approach

13:54:50 [SarahHorton]

Shawn: Within next steps, add step 0 and have that be to prioritize and group questions

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Shawn: Some stakeholder groups will be better suited to answering specific questions

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Shawn: Provides context for prioritizing stakeholder groups

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Jennison: Other groups that guidelines aren't reaching, like mobile app developers and designers

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Jennison: All the other stuff that's future thinking for all the people who don't access web guidelines

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Jennison: Accessibility professionals, broad group that includes designers and developers that do accessibility?

13:58:22 [SarahHorton]

Dave: Overlap, will have people who fall into multiple groups

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Dave: Do we survey people who do development and don't mention accessibility until you're into survey or

13:59:20 [SarahHorton]

Dave: Do we reach out to people who do accessibility, not sure

13:59:55 [SarahHorton]

Jennison: What about reaching out to people the guidelines aren't currently reaching

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Shawn: When we created stakeholder map we made sure it included people who weren't web focused

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Shawn: Tried to make it generic to cover technologies and people who are left out because of narrow focus on web content

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Jennison: Do you feel we have that representation? Or do we need to recruit more people from non-web

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Shawn: We have a few indentified but more outreach would be beneficial

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Jennison: Make sure we have at least one activity that is directed to non-web development/design

14:03:05 [SarahHorton]

Shawn: Yes, developer could be mobile, VR, native application

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Shawn: Talk through prioritization of research questions?

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Dave: Will edit doc as we discuss

14:10:22 [SarahHorton]

Group reviews questions in list and sets priority levels

14:24:29 [SarahHorton]

Dave: Based in ranking exercise, can identify stakeholder groups to target for priority questions

14:24:47 [Lauriat]

Stakeholder map: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/128vPnCweXN9t4JBG7-AOeBhT-KquaWXcCsi3H-f8u94/preview

14:25:50 [SarahHorton]

Shawn: Brainstormed roles related to accessibility

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Shawn: Tried to keep it granular to be helpful but not too many roles

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Shawn: Identified interactions with accessibility guidelines for each role

14:27:16 [SarahHorton]

Shawn: E.g., making policy has lots of roles with partial applicability

14:27:54 [SarahHorton]

Shawn: Thinking for map was that we are getting ready for research, use to identify stakeholder groups for research

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Shawn: Names on stakeholder list mapped to stakeholder map roles

14:29:17 [SarahHorton]

Shawn: One column, action, indicates which roles need expanded representation

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Shawn: E.g., disability organization coverage

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Dave: Will be useful for drawing up distribution plan for surveys

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Jan: Reminder that Scott Hollier has volunteered to help distribute surveys

14:34:32 [SarahHorton]

Jennison: What about WCAG survey work, still needs to review survey

14:34:42 [SarahHorton]

Sarah: Would like to list A and AA only on survey

14:34:55 [SarahHorton]

Jennison: AAA not as widely known

14:36:32 [SarahHorton]

Dave: Could AAAs come as a bonus part at the end?

14:37:28 [SarahHorton]

Shawn: Agree

14:37:52 [SarahHorton]

s/Agree/Agree about removing AAAs

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Sarah: Will remove and then Jennison can review the survey

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Group reviews stakeholder map roles and priority research questions

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Dave: Exercise raises question of how to pursue research questions

14:53:31 [SarahHorton]

Dave: Can ask anyone who has something to say on a topic to reply

14:53:53 [SarahHorton]

Dave: Can ask survey questions designed to a specific stakeholder group

14:54:31 [SarahHorton]

Dave: Will get people who might not have be interested/aware about a research question

14:54:43 [SarahHorton]

Dave: Could do both

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Shawn: As we progress through steps we will see patterns and structure surveys accordingly

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Dave: Can do same exercise for other high-priority research questions and reconvene next week

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Dave: Will aim to have ready for Tuesday call

14:58:25 [SarahHorton]

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agenda cleared

15:03:05 [SarahHorton]

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I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/08/25-silver-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Jeanne to contact more people in Japan to recruit people for diary study [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/08/25-silver-irc#T13-39-45

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ACTION: Jeanne to contact Amazon for gift card compensation for diary study [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/08/25-silver-irc#T13-41-12