IRC log of lvtf on 2017-08-24

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Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 24 August 2017
14:18:00 [allanj]
chair: Jim
14:18:08 [allanj]
agenda?
14:18:28 [allanj]
agenda+ Understanding https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/tree/master/understanding/21
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is dial in code still 646 045 716?
15:07:46 [allanj]
regrets+ Laura
15:08:22 [JohnRochford__]
present+ JohnRochford
15:08:42 [shawn]
s/ is dial in code still 646 045 716?//
15:08:54 [allanj]
dialin info at https://www.w3.org/2017/08/01-lvtf-info.html
15:09:20 [shawn]
present+
15:09:26 [shawn]
zakim, who is on the phone?
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Present: Jim, Shawn, Glenda, JohnRochford, SteveRep
15:09:50 [shawn]
Present: Jim, Shawn, JohnRochford, Erich
15:10:07 [allanj]
regrets+ Glenda
15:12:18 [allanj]
agenda?
15:12:32 [allanj]
zakim, open item 3
15:12:32 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Understanding https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/tree/master/understanding/21" taken up [from allanj]
15:13:31 [shawn]
Jim: list of Understanding docs. Chairs decided TF should do first pass. Would like before TPAC early Nov
15:13:36 [shawn]
... anyone can edit
15:15:28 [allanj]
see the rendered (non-code view) - https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/understanding/21/
15:16:15 [shawn]
... that is list of all -- including ones that didn't get included
15:16:48 [shawn]
Erich: I did understanding doc a few weeks ago and it hasn't been updated.
15:16:54 [shawn]
Jim: Put it into here.
15:17:44 [shawn]
s/Erich: I did understanding/JohnR: I did understanding
15:18:11 [allanj]
see the rendered (non-code view) - https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/understanding/21/*short-name.html*
15:19:02 [shawn]
These are just templates. Put content here. (some of it is elsewhere)
15:19:21 [allanj]
see the rendered (non-code view) - https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/understanding/21/adapting-text.html
15:19:42 [shawn]
For example, https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/understanding/21/adapting-text.html
15:19:50 [shawn]
Jim: Also need to work on Techniques
15:20:33 [shawn]
Shawn & Jim will update User Needs/Req doc as well
15:21:01 [allanj]
zakim, close item 3
15:21:01 [Zakim]
agendum 3, Understanding https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/tree/master/understanding/21, closed
15:21:03 [Zakim]
I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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2. Printing https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/76 [from allanj]
15:21:35 [shawn]
zakim, take up item 2
15:21:35 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Printing https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/76" taken up [from allanj]
15:24:35 [shawn]
Erich: Not looking good based on call and comments.
15:25:01 [shawn]
Shawn: Theere is some support and understanding. But a lot of misunderstandings
15:26:05 [shawn]
Jim: Red herring (like in mystery books) -- not related to real issue.
15:26:31 [shawn]
... page size and zoom are red herrings
15:26:56 [shawn]
s/(like in mystery books/(like in mystery books - throws you off course
15:27:24 [shawn]
Erich: Likelihood of bringing people to understanding real issues?
15:28:41 [shawn]
Jim: Responsive print design is a known best practice
15:28:51 [allanj]
https://www.polyglotprogramminginc.com/responsive-design-and-print-styling/
15:29:02 [allanj]
https://responsivedesign.is/articles/the-printer-is-a-device-too/
15:29:37 [shawn]
Shawn: If there are legitimate issues, I'm fine letting it drop. But what I'm seeing is misunderstanding, not legitimate issues.
15:29:54 [allanj]
Topic: Testing
15:30:36 [allanj]
@media print {
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body {
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line-height: 1.5;
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letter-spacing: .12em;
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word-spacing: .16em;
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}
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p {
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padding-bottom: 2em;
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}
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}
15:30:56 [shawn]
Jim: Set adapted text settings. If prints, then passes.
15:31:28 [allanj]
sometimes I remove the @media and apply just to the rendered view to make it print correctly
15:32:48 [shawn]
Erich: Need consensus by tomorrow
15:32:59 [allanj]
author knows content, knows layout and knows whats important it should print fine with the settings above.
15:33:13 [allanj]
the BROWSER does not know any of this.
15:34:47 [shawn]
Erich: Some where under the impression that things that are at AAA now could be moved to AA possibly later.
15:35:15 [shawn]
Jim: Getting it into the document, then can tweak.
15:35:18 [JohnRochford__]
Correction: The comment just attributed to Erich was actually made by Jon,
15:35:21 [allanj]
+1 to getting it in at AAA
15:35:21 [JohnRochford__]
John
15:35:42 [shawn]
s/Erich: Some /John: Some
15:36:15 [allanj]
NOTE: there is no requirement for testing larger fonts
15:36:16 [shawn]
Erich: propose CSS for testing. add as AAA for this version so it gets public input.
15:37:48 [shawn]
Shawn: Need to clear up misunderstandings.
15:41:00 [shawn]
Shawn: Some people understood importance but said OK to put off to WCAG 2.2. I'm very concerned about that approach. For several reasons, one being that 2.2 is not a given.
15:41:40 [shawn]
[some discussion about why there is resistance]
15:43:11 [shawn]
Erich: I
15:43:24 [shawn]
Erich: I'll do next comment as SC manager.
15:43:47 [shawn]
Jim updated https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/76
15:43:51 [allanj]
update issue and the SC for viewing to say When a page can be printed, essential information is printed with no loss of content or adapted text properties. (Level AAA)
15:48:21 [allanj]
survey - folks were not looking at current version. and did not understand the issue
15:50:58 [allanj]
jim added definitions
15:56:51 [allanj]
There are misunderstanding about what the SC covers. People were not reviewing the current wording. The SC doesnot cover Page/paper Size, Font Size, Zoom. Images will be covered in Techniques.
15:57:18 [allanj]
the people who opposed this before should be able to review.
16:00:01 [shawn]
s/ Images will be covered in Techniques./ Images not an issue with this proposed SC.
16:00:05 [allanj]
img {max-width: 100%;}
16:08:08 [allanj]
https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/76
16:13:58 [allanj]
https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/76#issuecomment-324167545
16:14:36 [allanj]
if you put the adapted text in the rendered view, it prints. I think the issue is that we dont want the page to break when printing
16:19:51 [allanj]
trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
16:19:51 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been Jim, Shawn, JohnRochford, Erich
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items
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