IRC log of lvtf on 2017-08-24
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- Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 24 August 2017
- 14:18:00 [allanj]
- chair: Jim
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- agenda?
- 14:18:28 [allanj]
- agenda+ Understanding https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/tree/master/understanding/21
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- is dial in code still 646 045 716?
- 15:07:46 [allanj]
- regrets+ Laura
- 15:08:22 [JohnRochford__]
- present+ JohnRochford
- 15:08:42 [shawn]
- s/ is dial in code still 646 045 716?//
- 15:08:54 [allanj]
- dialin info at https://www.w3.org/2017/08/01-lvtf-info.html
- 15:09:20 [shawn]
- present+
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- Present: Jim, Shawn, Glenda, JohnRochford, SteveRep
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- Present: Jim, Shawn, JohnRochford, Erich
- 15:10:07 [allanj]
- regrets+ Glenda
- 15:12:18 [allanj]
- agenda?
- 15:12:32 [allanj]
- zakim, open item 3
- 15:12:32 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Understanding https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/tree/master/understanding/21" taken up [from allanj]
- 15:13:31 [shawn]
- Jim: list of Understanding docs. Chairs decided TF should do first pass. Would like before TPAC early Nov
- 15:13:36 [shawn]
- ... anyone can edit
- 15:15:28 [allanj]
- see the rendered (non-code view) - https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/understanding/21/
- 15:16:15 [shawn]
- ... that is list of all -- including ones that didn't get included
- 15:16:48 [shawn]
- Erich: I did understanding doc a few weeks ago and it hasn't been updated.
- 15:16:54 [shawn]
- Jim: Put it into here.
- 15:17:44 [shawn]
- s/Erich: I did understanding/JohnR: I did understanding
- 15:18:11 [allanj]
- see the rendered (non-code view) - https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/understanding/21/*short-name.html*
- 15:19:02 [shawn]
- These are just templates. Put content here. (some of it is elsewhere)
- 15:19:21 [allanj]
- see the rendered (non-code view) - https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/understanding/21/adapting-text.html
- 15:19:42 [shawn]
- For example, https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/understanding/21/adapting-text.html
- 15:19:50 [shawn]
- Jim: Also need to work on Techniques
- 15:20:33 [shawn]
- Shawn & Jim will update User Needs/Req doc as well
- 15:21:01 [allanj]
- zakim, close item 3
- 15:21:01 [Zakim]
- agendum 3, Understanding https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/tree/master/understanding/21, closed
- 15:21:03 [Zakim]
- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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- 2. Printing https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/76 [from allanj]
- 15:21:35 [shawn]
- zakim, take up item 2
- 15:21:35 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Printing https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/76" taken up [from allanj]
- 15:24:35 [shawn]
- Erich: Not looking good based on call and comments.
- 15:25:01 [shawn]
- Shawn: Theere is some support and understanding. But a lot of misunderstandings
- 15:26:05 [shawn]
- Jim: Red herring (like in mystery books) -- not related to real issue.
- 15:26:31 [shawn]
- ... page size and zoom are red herrings
- 15:26:56 [shawn]
- s/(like in mystery books/(like in mystery books - throws you off course
- 15:27:24 [shawn]
- Erich: Likelihood of bringing people to understanding real issues?
- 15:28:41 [shawn]
- Jim: Responsive print design is a known best practice
- 15:28:51 [allanj]
- https://www.polyglotprogramminginc.com/responsive-design-and-print-styling/
- 15:29:02 [allanj]
- https://responsivedesign.is/articles/the-printer-is-a-device-too/
- 15:29:37 [shawn]
- Shawn: If there are legitimate issues, I'm fine letting it drop. But what I'm seeing is misunderstanding, not legitimate issues.
- 15:29:54 [allanj]
- Topic: Testing
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- @media print {
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- body {
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- line-height: 1.5;
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- letter-spacing: .12em;
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- word-spacing: .16em;
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- }
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- p {
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- padding-bottom: 2em;
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- }
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- }
- 15:30:56 [shawn]
- Jim: Set adapted text settings. If prints, then passes.
- 15:31:28 [allanj]
- sometimes I remove the @media and apply just to the rendered view to make it print correctly
- 15:32:48 [shawn]
- Erich: Need consensus by tomorrow
- 15:32:59 [allanj]
- author knows content, knows layout and knows whats important it should print fine with the settings above.
- 15:33:13 [allanj]
- the BROWSER does not know any of this.
- 15:34:47 [shawn]
- Erich: Some where under the impression that things that are at AAA now could be moved to AA possibly later.
- 15:35:15 [shawn]
- Jim: Getting it into the document, then can tweak.
- 15:35:18 [JohnRochford__]
- Correction: The comment just attributed to Erich was actually made by Jon,
- 15:35:21 [allanj]
- +1 to getting it in at AAA
- 15:35:21 [JohnRochford__]
- John
- 15:35:42 [shawn]
- s/Erich: Some /John: Some
- 15:36:15 [allanj]
- NOTE: there is no requirement for testing larger fonts
- 15:36:16 [shawn]
- Erich: propose CSS for testing. add as AAA for this version so it gets public input.
- 15:37:48 [shawn]
- Shawn: Need to clear up misunderstandings.
- 15:41:00 [shawn]
- Shawn: Some people understood importance but said OK to put off to WCAG 2.2. I'm very concerned about that approach. For several reasons, one being that 2.2 is not a given.
- 15:41:40 [shawn]
- [some discussion about why there is resistance]
- 15:43:11 [shawn]
- Erich: I
- 15:43:24 [shawn]
- Erich: I'll do next comment as SC manager.
- 15:43:47 [shawn]
- Jim updated https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/76
- 15:43:51 [allanj]
- update issue and the SC for viewing to say When a page can be printed, essential information is printed with no loss of content or adapted text properties. (Level AAA)
- 15:48:21 [allanj]
- survey - folks were not looking at current version. and did not understand the issue
- 15:50:58 [allanj]
- jim added definitions
- 15:56:51 [allanj]
- There are misunderstanding about what the SC covers. People were not reviewing the current wording. The SC doesnot cover Page/paper Size, Font Size, Zoom. Images will be covered in Techniques.
- 15:57:18 [allanj]
- the people who opposed this before should be able to review.
- 16:00:01 [shawn]
- s/ Images will be covered in Techniques./ Images not an issue with this proposed SC.
- 16:00:05 [allanj]
- img {max-width: 100%;}
- 16:08:08 [allanj]
- https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/76
- 16:13:58 [allanj]
- https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/76#issuecomment-324167545
- 16:14:36 [allanj]
- if you put the adapted text in the rendered view, it prints. I think the issue is that we dont want the page to break when printing
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- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
- 16:19:51 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been Jim, Shawn, JohnRochford, Erich
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see no action items
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