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17:12:05 <mck> METTING: ARIA APG Task Force July 31, 2017
17:12:31 <mck> MEETING: ARIA APG Task Force July 31, 2017
17:12:43 <mck> CHAIR: Matt King
17:12:56 <mck> zakimg, make log public
17:13:17 <mck> zakim, make log public
17:13:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make log public', mck
17:13:25 <mck> zakim, make log world
17:13:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make log world', mck
17:13:52 <mck> rrsagent, make log world
17:14:08 <mck> rrsagent, make minutes
17:14:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/31-aria-apg-minutes.html mck
17:16:40 <AnnAbbott> present+ AnnAbbott
17:16:45 <mck> present+ matt_king
17:16:59 <sirib> present+ ShirishaBalusani
17:17:16 <AnnAbbott> present+ JonGunderson
17:17:52 <mck> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/July-31%2C-2017-Meeting
17:21:21 <mck> TOPIC: Menu and Menubar Project
17:21:46 <jongund> scibe: jongund
17:21:52 <jongund> scribe: jongund
17:22:07 <mck> Projec page https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/projects/5
17:22:41 <jongund> AA: On the last call JN was going to assign some reviews, but I did not get an assignment
17:22:54 <jongund> MK: I didn't see anything in the notes about assignments
17:23:27 <jongund> MK: I did not seen anything in the last meeting about the project pages for each widget
17:23:41 <jongund> MK: Not all the features of the project pages are accessible
17:24:03 <jongund> MK: There a opportunities for working group members to help withproject related tasks
17:24:10 <sirib> everything for this project shown as Zero
17:24:46 <jongund> MK: I want this to be a place for people to see what we discussed about a widget without having to search the discussion
17:24:59 <jongund> MK: There are about 43 issues in this space, but ost are closed
17:25:33 <jongund> MK: I need help, since drag and drop is the way this page works
17:26:09 <mck> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/projects/5
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17:30:10 <jongund> ... discussion of github project features ...
17:30:43 <jongund> ... discussion of being to update and edit project information ...
17:31:39 <jongund> MK: I will discuss with MC and JN the ability for people to edit project information
17:32:01 <jongund> MK: I cannot edit the projects until Github fixes the keyboard access issue
17:32:41 <jongund> zakim, next item
17:32:41 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
17:34:08 <jongund> TOPIC: Menubar pull request
17:34:16 <jongund> MK: What did you mean?
17:34:25 <jongund> MK: The pull message was not clear
17:34:51 <jongund> MK: It looks like the changes, removing JS that does not do anything
17:35:55 <jongund> JG: There was a couple issue, including looking at the wrong place for the labels
17:36:19 <jongund> MK: For the purpose of teaching
17:37:29 <mck> example page: http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/menubar/menubar-1/menubar-1.html
17:37:37 <jongund> AA: This is a pull request, what is the issue
17:37:45 <jongund> JG: There was a bug in the code
17:38:10 <jongund> MK: I don't want the javascript to not create the label
17:39:48 <jongund> MK: I am concerned the second example is more complicated and may confuse people
17:40:36 <jongund> MK: If you compare the the source code of the two examples you see the roles in the right places
17:42:45 <jongund> MK: Take out example 2 and simplify the JS code to not put the ARIA in
17:43:02 <jongund> MK: It also sets up one example per page ideal
17:43:25 <jongund> JG: We need labels on the MENUs?
17:43:57 <jongund> MK: Currently only touch based screen readers take advantage of the labels
17:44:20 <jongund> MC: On desktops like JAWS and NVDA do not use the labels on the menu
17:44:53 <jongund> MK: I will raise this issue with screen reader companies
17:45:08 <jongund> MK: From a best practices we should include them
17:51:14 <jongund> MK: Are there any objects to simplifying this example page
17:51:20 <jongund> AA: Fine with me
17:51:29 <jongund> Siri: Fine with me
17:51:42 <mck> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/410#issuecomment-313885943
17:52:13 <jongund> TOPIC: ARIA-EXPANDED in MENUBAR
17:52:55 <jongund> MK: The ARIA spec does not allow aria-expanded on menuitem
17:53:19 <jongund> MK: In the desktop world this problem did not exist
17:54:05 <jongund> Siri: When you use aria-controls  ...., it won't see the parent role
17:54:28 <jongund> MK: in native operating systems they don't see the parent
17:55:22 <jongund> MK: The validator chock on this practice, we raised issue 454 against aria
17:56:11 <jongund> MK: We have a couple choices
17:56:56 <jongund> MK: Change the examples to remove aria-expanded, this has a big down side, and we might add it in later
17:57:49 <jongund> MK: Another approach is to put notes in the document about this issue and to ignore this validation error
17:58:25 <jongund> MK: I don't think the validator will change before the spec changes, but we hope to get a commitment on the change
17:58:41 <jongund> Siri: Agree with MC on the later
18:00:15 <jongund> MK: I am going to add issues to the ARIA spec and discuss resolution with chairs
18:01:23 <jongund> TOPIC: VNU checking
18:02:08 <jongund> MK: The HTML validator for HTML5
18:02:37 <jongund> MK: It allows us a process to check our code against the W3C validator
18:03:34 <jongund> AA: Is this why we got the all checks failed?
18:04:20 <jongund> MK: The reason is the respec javascript and it changes the shortcut code into fully resolved URL
18:04:45 <jongund> MK: in our build we are getting a timeout on our curl script
18:05:29 <jongund> rrsagent, darft minutes
18:05:29 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'darft minutes', jongund.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
18:05:40 <jongund> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:05:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/31-aria-apg-minutes.html jongund
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