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<Kathy> grouped targets with more than 5 items have at least one dimension that is 44 pixels and the other is at least 22 pixels
Kathy: addressing people's
concerns about touch target size– at AAA we shouldn't have it
in there because were asking people to do significant changes
and I can't accept the AAA requirement. Some people saying
that's what AAA is all about
... want to see if mobile group is okay with putting this in
with a note. Groups of targets with more than five items 44 x
22. That's the note for AA, AAA will go in without the note –
that's the proposal
Marc: thinking of little tiny controls on the phone. When links got introduced that made sense, many people want to access link also. Think of myself, I'm constantly doing the pinch. is the touch target size easily solved by doing the pinch?
Kathy: low vision user film
talking about when he uses zoom and when he needs font size
increase
... significant usability issue if were talking about scrolling
versus size. Also looking at how users are using magnification
– generally magnifying the screen then interacting with it and
doing something else. I'm okay with this minimum – that's from
my user research and talking to Kim two – horizontal scroll,
vertical scroll can be a significant barrier as well. We are
battling two...
... different things. I do think the user behavior with
touchscreens especially when you've got groups of things –
maybe not so much in form control, but just links. I think the
behavior is exactly what you do Marc right now on the phone –
that applies to people with low vision and mobility impairments
as well
Marc: I'm struggling with how far this needs to go. I was more in favor of saying don't lock the viewport and having a target size of X. To me the bigger problem is when you lock the viewport on someone so they can't do the zoom
Kathy: right now mobile is overwriting that – so it's less of an issue because the manufacturers have just said we are going to ignore it anyway
Marc: I'm always reading news stuff and I'm trying to zoom it and I can't zoom it. It might be when it's in their own little browser rather than the chrome browser on my device – maybe it's a hybrid app using the browser. That's what I find frustrating – they take away my ability to zoom in. That's more frustrating than the actual target size. If I can zoom in I can hit the target
Kathy: we have to think about the
user experience to when you can magnify and then interact. Two
different scenarios. When you can see more things on the screen
versus less things on the screen. User impact overall
usability, but we're talking about making it more difficult for
users with disabilities so it's proportionately different from
a user experience standpoint which is kind of the...
... benchmark. That's where I'm breaking this out now – certain
things we can expect the user to do and other areas where as
Shad mentioned one of the big issues for him in forms you don't
want to zoom to lose the context of the page. Other contexts
where we do have a group it's okay – less of an impact to
magnify. That's why I think when we are talking about this we
are generally okay just...
... because the end-user is going to do different behaviors
based on what they are doing
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