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14:09:27 <Caroline> APPROVE: F2F minutes day 1 https://www.w3.org/2017/07/17-dxwg-minutes
14:09:39 <dsr> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2017.07.24
14:09:39 <Caroline> +1
14:09:39 <annette_g> PROPOSED: approve minutes from day 1 of face-to-face
14:09:45 <Caroline> +1
14:09:45 <roba_> +0 only partially present
14:09:55 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
14:09:56 <alejandra> q+
14:09:57 <annette_g> +1
14:09:57 <kcoyle> +1
14:10:00 <dsr> +1
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14:10:04 <Caroline> ack alejandra
14:10:06 <antoine> +1 for the part I attended...
14:10:12 <Makx_> +1
14:10:22 <DaveBrowning> +1
14:10:30 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
14:10:54 <alejandra> +1
14:11:10 <Thomas> Seems I'm not in the present list of those minutes?
14:11:21 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> @Makx: closing any open IRC tab helped
14:11:21 <annette_g> RESOLVED: approve minutes from day 1 of face-to-face
14:11:34 <kcoyle> q+
14:11:43 <Caroline> ack kcoyle
14:11:58 <annette_g> alejandra:  requests that we include acknowledgment of the catering at the meeting
14:12:06 <alejandra> same for minutes of day 2, please, add ack to VRE4EIC project
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14:14:10 <annette_g> kcoyle: Some corrections to the minutes for who was present on both days
14:14:27 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/07/18-dxwg-minutes
14:15:02 <annette_g> Caroline: I can double check the present lists and update them
14:15:31 <Makx> present+ Makx
14:15:35 <Caroline> q?
14:15:41 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2017/07/18-dxwg-minutes
14:15:57 <annette_g> PROPOSED: accept the minutes for day 2 of the face-to-face
14:16:00 <Caroline> +1
14:16:04 <annette_g> +1
14:16:04 <AndreaPerego> +1
14:16:12 <Thomas> +1
14:16:14 <Makx> +1
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14:16:15 <antoine> +1
14:16:21 <dsr> +1
14:16:27 <alejandra> +1
14:16:34 <annette_g> RESOLVED: accept the minutes for day 2 of the face-to-face
14:16:49 <Caroline> Topic: Report from F2F
14:17:06 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> Caroline, I noticed to be missing in minutes of day 2, please add me, when possible
14:19:56 <annette_g> Caroline: next on the agenda are six use cases that were not approved. Two of them we understood as out of scope (use cases 24 and 39). We have 3 to be added, numbers 3, 25, and 44. We still have one with no resolution, which is 37.
14:20:27 <annette_g> Caroline: I think it would be good to discuss the latter at this meeting.
14:20:39 <annette_g> We should also recall that we agreed to use github for issues.
14:21:02 <annette_g> Since it's used by others in the community, they can interact with it as well.
14:21:07 <alejandra> +q
14:21:25 <kcoyle> note: discussion on ID37 https://www.w3.org/2017/07/18-dxwg-minutes#item06
14:21:33 <annette_g> Dave Raggett is working on getting our issues loaded into github.
14:22:55 <annette_g> kcoyle: I started reading through the minutes and noted that there was a lot of good discussion and there was a fair amount of backchannel talk that we shouldn't lose. How do we put this discussion in relation to the use cases so that, when it comes to doing work on the requirements, it's easy to get to?
14:22:59 <antoine> q+
14:23:07 <Caroline> ack alejandra
14:23:34 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:23:57 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/labels
14:23:59 <annette_g> alejandra: for capturing the links, it might be good to put it in the use cases.
14:24:17 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues
14:24:37 <kcoyle> q+
14:24:47 <annette_g> alejandra: I created some labels and tags in github. We're going to keep a single repository for all. One way to follow issues is to use the labels.
14:24:49 <Caroline> ack antoine
14:25:31 <Caroline> ack kcoyle
14:25:34 <annette_g> kcoyle: How are those labels put in?
14:26:08 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/9
14:26:31 <annette_g> alejandra: go to the first link I put, and to the right there's a button called new label. (But you have to have the rights). To include in an issue, go to the issue first, and then find the labels to the right. You can select existing labels.
14:26:49 <annette_g> kcoyle: I'll play around with it.
14:27:32 <annette_g> antoine: for Karen's question about including the discussion on links somewhere, I think it would be good to have it connected to the use case document.
14:27:54 <Caroline> q?
14:27:58 <Caroline> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:28:44 <annette_g> Jaroslav_Pullmann: two topics. Should we clear off our issues in the w3c tracker and then start creating them in the github tracker, or should we just move them.
14:29:18 <annette_g> Second is about references from the f2f. I would support and ask the use case authors to extend the sections related to the links sections.
14:30:01 <annette_g> Caroline: we are only using the w3c tracker for actions, so we still are using it for that.
14:30:14 <annette_g> Jaroslav_Pullmann: so the actions are more general?
14:31:08 <Caroline> q?
14:31:38 <annette_g> Caroline: the difference is that actions are something we must do. LIke I have the action to check the people present in the minutes. Issues are something we still need to have a discussion about, things we have to solve as a group.
14:32:47 <annette_g> Caroline: I will also take the opportunity to explain that, if you are an editor of a use case, you have the duty to answer any public comments received. When we publish them, people from outside will comment. It is the editor's responsibility
14:33:11 <annette_g> Caroline: other comments on minutes?
14:33:59 <annette_g> kcoyle: we should perhaps do an action on everybody who has use cases to read the section of the minutes about their use case. The table of contents can help you. You can see if there's anything in there you need to pull in.
14:34:24 <kcoyle> ACTION: everyone to read minutes of f2f and add any relevant discussion or links
14:34:25 <trackbot> Error finding 'everyone'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/users>.
14:35:05 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
14:35:22 <annette_g> Caroline: a bit more about actions. The next item on the agenda is open actions we have. That link is where we can track actions.
14:35:42 <annette_g> If you can open these and check with people on the call if they've finished their actions.
14:35:56 <kcoyle> q+
14:36:02 <annette_g> If you have an action that you have finished, you can go there and put "close action".
14:36:02 <Caroline> ack kcoyle
14:36:23 <alejandra> I don't have the rights
14:36:24 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:36:26 <annette_g> kcoyle: If you don't have the rights, send a note to the list and we'll close it for you.
14:36:57 <annette_g> Caroline: Dave, is it possible to give everyone in the group the power?
14:37:11 <Makx> I tried to close my action and it told me I didn't have authority
14:37:20 <AndreaPerego> I also have the same proble - and I'm an invited expert.
14:37:32 <Makx> looks like expert expert status
14:37:33 <AndreaPerego> s/same proble /same problem /
14:37:46 <annette_g> Dave Raggett: I will investigate
14:37:48 <Caroline> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:38:03 <Makx> s/expert expert/invited expert/
14:38:35 <annette_g> Jaroslav_Pullmann: does it make sense to request somebody to review whether the action is indeed done? I put mind on "pending review". Should we be ignoring that stage?
14:39:10 <annette_g> Caroline: you could ask someone to review if you want. My experience was that we can close our actions ourselves. Is it okay, Dave?
14:39:27 <annette_g> Dave: I'm not sure, but I believe the chairs can always close them.
14:40:13 <Makx> maybe a good idea that the person changing status, sends a message to the list too
14:40:14 <annette_g> Jaroslav_Pullmann: If I moved something to pending, I'm not sure if the chairs see it. I've stated what I've done in a note.
14:40:24 <annette_g> kcoyle: let's decide offline how to handle this.
14:40:24 <AndreaPerego> It may be worth dropping a mail to the list anyway to inform the WG.
14:40:38 <kcoyle> q+
14:41:30 <annette_g> Caroline: It would at least be nice to review the dates on actions that we have open, to see what's past due. The first one is action 5, for Nandana, who is not online.
14:41:33 <kcoyle> q-
14:41:39 <annette_g> The next is number 8, for Andrea.
14:41:43 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/8
14:41:57 <Makx> q+ I have a question about action https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/7 = https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/23
14:42:31 <alejandra> +q to say that I closed my action
14:42:34 <Makx> q+ about action https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/7 = https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/23
14:42:39 <annette_g> AndreaPerego: about this one, I dropped a note to the mailing list. The problem is that I cannot change the status of the action. This should be completed.
14:43:11 <Makx> q+ about action, https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/7, https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/23
14:43:13 <annette_g> The problem is that the actions and issues are not linked to the related emails.
14:43:16 <AndreaPerego> Relevant email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2017Jul/0050.html
14:43:38 <Caroline> ack alejandra
14:43:38 <Zakim> alejandra, you wanted to say that I closed my action
14:43:46 <annette_g> Caroline: we realized that would happen with github as our issue tracker. We didn't know if we would receive emails.
14:44:08 <annette_g> alejandra: I think it would be good to define what the process is.
14:44:08 <kcoyle> me I will close 8 and 13
14:44:19 <kcoyle> that was /me
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14:44:47 <annette_g> AndreaPerego: The point is that, if we have an action like action 8 and we put "action 8" in the subject line, that should show up associated with that action.
14:45:11 <annette_g> Caroline: we need another action for Dave to check with whoever is responsible.
14:45:20 <Makx> q-
14:45:26 <Makx> q+
14:45:51 <Caroline> ack mak
14:45:55 <Caroline> ack Makx
14:46:22 <annette_g> Makx: I'm trying to delete this funny long thing.
14:46:22 <dsr> ack about
14:46:38 <dsr> ack action
14:46:43 <dsr> ack https
14:46:44 <Caroline> q?
14:46:48 <annette_g> Makx: I can't take the question out of Zakinthos
14:47:00 <annette_g> S/Zakinthos/Zakim
14:47:00 <dsr> ack https://github
14:47:05 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/11
14:47:39 <annette_g> Jaroslav_Pullmann: this is a general action initiated by Ixchel. With 31, both are still open.
14:47:52 <AndreaPerego> q+
14:47:57 <AndreaPerego> q-
14:47:58 <Caroline> ack AndreaPerego
14:48:02 <annette_g> Caroline: action 12, Christian is not on the call
14:48:26 <annette_g> Caroline: 13, annette
14:48:31 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/11
14:48:38 <Caroline> s/https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/13
14:48:45 <Caroline> s/https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/11/https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/13
14:49:12 <annette_g> Can we postpone mine to the next call?
14:49:14 <AndreaPerego> Relevant mail: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2017Jul/0065.html
14:49:19 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/20
14:49:41 <annette_g> AndreaPerego: I posted a thing saying I revised the use case but wasn't able to mark it completed.
14:50:00 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/22
14:50:04 <annette_g> Number 22, kcoyle
14:50:23 <annette_g> kcoyle: I'll change the date on that to week after next
14:50:31 <Caroline> ack Makx
14:51:36 <annette_g> Makx: I have a comment on 23. I looked at it and reviewed the minutes. Dan had also created a github issue, number 7, where I think the meaning of the action had been changed. It was supposed to be the identification of mailing lists where DCAT activity was going on. But the new action is about vocabularies of data types.
14:52:04 <kcoyle> q+
14:52:06 <annette_g> Caroline: Makx, can you send Dan an email explaining what to fix?
14:52:18 <annette_g> Makx: I'm already doing that
14:52:19 <Caroline> ack kcoyle
14:53:00 <alejandra> q+
14:53:14 <Caroline> ack alejandra
14:53:20 <annette_g> kcoyle: this one I believe I saw in an email. So we are getting emails. I will move this someplace else.
14:54:16 <annette_g> alejandra: you can see in the github interface that you sent an email. I'll help Karen get this nailed down.
14:54:29 <annette_g> Caroline: 24, Dave says he will check in
14:54:46 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/29
14:55:39 <annette_g> Caroline: 29, Dave Raggett to ask Ivan Herrman about script to help link use cases and requirements.
14:56:10 <annette_g> Next: Jaroslav_Pullmann is closing
14:56:41 <Caroline> Topic: Next steps
14:56:51 <annette_g> kcoyle: next steps for the group. We should be developing a more concrete plan for how the deliverables will happen.
14:57:10 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:57:24 <annette_g> I would like for the UCR group to develop what deadline they can see themselves meeting. That will include use cases and requirements.
14:57:25 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Cases_Requirements
14:57:43 <annette_g> So the next step is the put together a list of requirements.
14:57:55 <Caroline> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:58:00 <annette_g> If the editing group can meet and report back as to when they can have an edited list.
14:58:05 <roba_> will need to meet this week before Jaro leaves
14:58:11 <AndreaPerego> s/the put/they put/
14:58:48 <annette_g> Jaroslav_Pullmann: I will make a first attempt at moving the content to a wiki page and extracting requirements. I'm on leave next week, so will forward the work so that there is an initial edition by this week.
14:58:52 <annette_g> Q+
14:59:18 <Ixchel> q+
14:59:26 <annette_g> Jaroslav_Pullmann: there was a request to express use cases in keyword/context form, so I will se about doing that
14:59:26 <Caroline> ack annette_g
14:59:52 <antoine> q+
15:00:01 <roba_> q+
15:00:07 <antoine> q-
15:00:20 <annette_g> annette_g: maybe we should wait to move them to fixed form until people are done making changes
15:00:23 <Caroline> ack Ixchel
15:00:30 <annette_g> kcoyle: we can still make changes once they're in github
15:00:34 <roba_> q-
15:00:52 <annette_g> Ixchel: I was clear what Jaroslav_Pullmann 's document was
15:00:55 <roba_> just wanted to say need ot focus on requirements mainly anyway so edit use cases
15:01:15 <annette_g> kcoyle: you can follow up on that offline
15:01:19 <Makx> ok thanks bye bye!
15:01:20 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!
15:01:25 <antoine> thanks, bye!
15:01:28 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> bye
15:01:30 <roba_> bye
15:01:31 <AndreaPerego> s/need ot/need to/
15:01:32 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
15:01:37 <Caroline> thank you! bye bye
15:01:43 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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15:01:57 <Caroline> RRSAgent: make minutes public
15:01:57 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', Caroline.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:02:11 <annette_g> Bye!
15:02:37 <AndreaPerego> Prego :)
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15:05:56 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ Lars, Peter, Ruben, Dan, Riccardo
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15:30:33 <AndreaPerego> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
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