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15:49:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:49:44 <trackbot> Date: 28 June 2017
15:52:01 <MichielBijl> present+
15:53:15 <janina> agenda?
15:53:19 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:53:19 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017
15:53:19 <janina> agenda+ Task Force Checkins
15:53:19 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:53:20 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:53:22 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:53:24 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:53:27 <janina> agenda+ be done
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15:54:09 <janina>  resent+
15:54:22 <janina> agenda?
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15:57:28 <janina> agenda?
16:00:05 <tink> present+ Léonie
16:00:44 <janina> janina has joined #apa
16:00:52 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:01:06 <janina> agenda?
16:01:19 <janina> present+
16:01:24 <janina> chair: janina
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16:02:01 <IanPouncey> present+
16:02:06 <MichaelC> present+
16:02:59 <MichielBijl> scribe: MichielBijl
16:03:30 <janina> zakim, next item
16:03:30 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:03:46 <MichielBijl> JS: We have the usual agenda
16:03:59 <MichielBijl> TPAC and various actions
16:04:25 <MichielBijl> Any other items we should look at or take up?
16:04:37 <MichielBijl> We’ll surely take up CSS.
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16:05:07 <MichielBijl> Any other news for the good of the order?
16:05:10 <janina> zakim, next item
16:05:10 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017" taken up [from janina]
16:05:17 <MichielBijl> MB: I’m about to change jobs, but that’s about it
16:05:23 <MichielBijl> JS: Good luck with that!
16:05:30 <Gottfried> Gottfried has joined #apa
16:05:34 <MichielBijl> Be sure to plan ahead for TPAC
16:05:58 <MichielBijl> Even if you think you might be coming it’s good to book a hotel room, you can always cancel, but can’t always add.
16:06:11 <MichielBijl> Have already planned a couple of meetings between APA and ARIA
16:06:42 <MichielBijl> present+ Gottfried
16:06:54 <MichielBijl> Any questions TPAC related?
16:07:42 <janina> zakim, next item
16:07:42 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Task Force Checkins" taken up [from janina]
16:07:48 <MichielBijl> Hearing none, let’s move forward
16:07:56 <MichielBijl> *drum rolls*
16:08:11 <MichielBijl> We have a new facilitator: Ian Pouncey
16:08:13 <MichielBijl> Welcome!
16:08:25 <MichielBijl> Ted Drake are you on the call?
16:08:35 <MichielBijl> GZ: He’s not
16:08:48 <MichielBijl> JS: We need to some active communication with the CSS WG.
16:08:57 <MichielBijl> We’ve had various issues with the specs
16:09:06 <MichielBijl> As a result of that we have a CSS TF
16:09:30 <MichielBijl> We’ve had trouble finding someone with time to function as a facilitator
16:09:46 <MichielBijl> So thank you Ian! And thank you Léonie for you help.
16:11:33 <MichielBijl> Ian, let me turn it over to you and let you introduce yourself
16:12:00 <MichielBijl> IP: I’m very excited to be here and fulfil this role
16:12:06 <MichielBijl> I’ve been a long time CSS author
16:12:23 <MichielBijl> Haven’t had an orientation yet, but hope to get that soon
16:12:30 <MichielBijl> MC: We should a private chat for that
16:12:48 <MichielBijl> Another question is whether Ted Drake will co-facilitate or whether Ian will replace him.
16:12:57 <MichielBijl> JS: I think he wants to play second fiddle
16:14:40 <MichielBijl> I think we have a few people interested in joining
16:15:33 <MichielBijl> There’s also an open question about a best practices document
16:16:06 <MichielBijl> We got a positive response on our proposal to do more with customisation via CSS media queries.
16:16:30 <MichielBijl> In addition there is the whole realm of APA for horizontal review
16:16:57 <MichielBijl> When a CSS module comes up for review, we need people to do so within this group
16:18:27 <MichielBijl> MB: Would CSS modules be reviewed by people from within APA or specifically from the CSS TF?
16:19:16 <MichielBijl> JS: Good question, I imagine most people with accessibility knowledge will be in APA. But Ian will be able to assign the correct people.
16:19:39 <MichielBijl> MC: Ultimately it’s the APA’s responsibility to review specs.
16:20:29 <MichielBijl> JS: Not sure if there’s any other news from our other TFs, but they’re both active
16:22:03 <MichielBijl> MC: Knocked one front burner off today, hope to knock another off tomorrow
16:22:15 <janina> zakim, next item
16:22:15 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:22:20 <MichielBijl> JS: Not all of the APA work happens here is part of the message
16:22:42 <MichielBijl> MC: W3C is having major service problems and I can’t load the tracker
16:22:48 <MichielBijl> JS: Cé la vie
16:23:05 <MichielBijl> Léonie were you able to look at the one I emailed you about
16:23:17 <MichielBijl> LW: Yes, but not to the extend that I understood what you were going on about
16:23:36 <MichielBijl> JS: *missing part* we never responded to them
16:23:49 <MichielBijl> LW: Not sure if I qualify to do so
16:23:56 <MichielBijl> Where do I find the relevant pointers?
16:24:08 <MichielBijl> MC: That depends on how responsible people have been while logging issues
16:27:07 <janina> zakim, pick a victim
16:27:07 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose IanPouncey
16:28:00 <janina> zakim, next item
16:28:00 <Zakim> agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:28:23 <IanPouncey> MC: No interesting new specs. A couple from last week that didn't get cleared.
16:29:23 <IanPouncey> JS: Clear on SHACL and XSL.
16:29:52 <IanPouncey> Tink: would be good to get feedback soon on microdata. Trying to prove that we can get through the process in a short time
16:30:19 <IanPouncey> MC: We determined in May that we didn't need to review microdata.
16:30:32 <IanPouncey> Ting: There is probably nothing a11y related.
16:30:44 <IanPouncey> s/TIng/Tink/
16:31:28 <IanPouncey> Tink: Nothing in microdata that is presented directly to the user
16:31:36 <IanPouncey> JS: I'm happy to take a read on it.
16:31:48 <IanPouncey> Tink: Other person who might be able to help is Shane
16:31:53 <IanPouncey> JS: He's not been present recently.
16:32:28 <IanPouncey> MC: The technical characteristics of RDFA vs Microdata aren't relevant, so Shane might not have an advantage there.
16:32:47 <IanPouncey> MC: It microdata doesn't kill accessibility the way microformats did.
16:32:58 <IanPouncey> Tink: There is potential for AT.
16:33:16 <IanPouncey> JS: Happy to take a read because we're looking at direction for personalisation
16:33:40 <IanPouncey> Tink: COGA have been looking at determining types of data
16:33:50 <IanPouncey> JS: Assign an action to me, is 3 weeks quick enough.
16:33:51 <MichaelC> action: janina to review HTML Microdata https://www.w3.org/TR/microdata/
16:33:51 <trackbot> Error creating an ACTION: could not connect to Tracker.  Please mail <sysreq@w3.org> with details about what happened.
16:33:57 <IanPouncey> TInk: Quicker would be better.
16:34:05 <IanPouncey> JS: I'll take it to COGA to see if they want to help
16:35:02 <IanPouncey> MC: I think we should look at explicit request category which has media queries level 4 and 23 active specs that are languishing.
16:35:28 <IanPouncey> MC: Input events again, Microdata, Payment specs
16:35:48 <IanPouncey> JS: I'm aware and have an action. Expecting Katie back soon to kick that community group in to gear.
16:35:52 <janina> zakim, next item
16:35:52 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
16:37:07 <janina> zakim, bye
16:37:07 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been MichielBijl, Léonie, Joanmarie_Diggs, janina, IanPouncey, MichaelC, Gottfried
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16:37:14 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
16:37:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/28-apa-minutes.html janina
16:37:48 <janina> Argh. Service Unavailable!
16:37:57 <janina> I'll be back!
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19:01:54 <janina> rrsagent, bye
19:01:54 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/06/28-apa-actions.rdf :
19:01:54 <RRSAgent> ACTION: janina to review HTML Microdata https://www.w3.org/TR/microdata/ [1]
19:01:54 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/06/28-apa-irc#T16-33-51