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14:56:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
14:56:26 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:56:26 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:56:26 <trackbot> Date: 22 June 2017
14:56:28 <allanj> chair: jim
14:56:46 <allanj> regrets: Alastair, Glenda, John
14:57:24 <allanj> Agenda+ Popup Interference (MetaData on Hover)
14:57:25 <allanj> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/75#issuecomment-309306101
14:57:27 <allanj> Agenda+ Recap of Discussion with Dr Arditi
14:57:28 <allanj> Agenda+ remaining SCs
14:57:30 <allanj> Adapting Text (need CFC, need Color back in, and CFC)
14:57:31 <allanj> Reflow
14:57:33 <allanj> Popup Interference
14:57:34 <allanj> Printing
14:57:36 <allanj> zakim, clear agenda
14:57:36 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:58:03 <allanj> Agenda+ Popup Interference (MetaData on Hover)
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14:58:04 <allanj> Agenda+ Recap of Discussion with Dr Arditi
14:58:06 <allanj> Agenda+ remaining SCs
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15:04:17 <erich> Scribe: erich
15:04:32 <laura> Scribe list: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Scribe_List
15:04:51 <shawn> present: Shawn, Erich, Jim, Laura, Scott, Wayne
15:05:56 <erich> JA: Be sure to vote on the current CFC's if you haven't already
15:05:57 <laura> present+ Laura
15:06:48 <shawn> present+ SteveR
15:06:55 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:06:55 <Zakim> Present: Shawn, Erich, Jim, Laura, Scott, Wayne, SteveR
15:06:55 <laura> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2017Jun/0024.html
15:07:03 <erich> JA: Zoom Content, User Interface Contrast are included
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15:07:18 <laura> Josh’s reply: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2017Jun/0029.html
15:07:25 <steverep> present+steverep
15:07:34 <laura> So I asked Josh, Andrew, and Michael if we could have an Adapting text CFC .
15:07:39 <laura> Josh replied: "This looks like it is good to go for a CFC" and asked "Andrew - you think this is ok?"
15:07:59 <laura> Andrew has not replied. He is on vacation this week.
15:08:07 <allanj> zakim, open item 2
15:08:07 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Recap of Discussion with Dr Arditi" taken up [from allanj]
15:12:33 <allanj> http://jov.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2628138
15:13:08 <erich> JA: Dr. Arditi acknowledged great difficulties in low vision research
15:13:21 <allanj> http://www.ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/gjhs/article/view/67398
15:15:38 <allanj> close item 2
15:16:17 <allanj> Zakim, open item 2
15:16:17 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Recap of Discussion with Dr Arditi" taken up [from allanj]
15:16:23 <allanj> close item 2
15:16:31 <allanj> Zakim, open item 3
15:16:31 <Zakim> agendum 3. "remaining SCs" taken up [from allanj]
15:16:54 <allanj> Adapting Text (need CFC, need Color back in, and CFC)
15:16:56 <allanj> Reflow
15:16:57 <allanj> Popup Interference
15:16:59 <allanj> Printing
15:22:19 <allanj> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/75#issuecomment-309306101
15:22:30 <erich> JA: Turning to Popup Interference next could work, as group suggests
15:22:47 <allanj> The inability to perceive content that appears on hover.
15:22:48 <allanj> Examples:
15:22:50 <allanj> (a) Tooltip obscured by enlarged pointer. Default position of tooltip content created via the title attribute is below and right of the trigger element. This positioning results in an enlarged mouse pointer blocking all or part of the tooltip. Moving the mouse will cause the tooltip to disappear. This issue is most impactful when the tooltip is the only visual text label for a component.
15:22:51 <allanj> (b) Content disappears when mouse moves off trigger and moves on to displayed content. This occurs for tooltips created using the title attribute by default, but may also occur for larger containers of content of text that are unintentionally triggered as a user navigates a page. This issue can cause significant barriers for users who depend on screen magnification where the zoom window is...
15:22:53 <allanj> ...dependent on mouse navigation. (The onmouseout event handler can cause this issue).
15:22:54 <allanj> AND
15:22:56 <allanj> Content that appears on hover may block perception of triggered content. (See screenshot).
15:23:48 <allanj> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6nh5-QGl_zLWUNvN1JJdXh1M28
15:25:02 <allanj> https://jsfiddle.net/obsqynyp/4/
15:26:36 <allanj> current SC wording
15:26:40 <allanj> For informational content that appears on hover or focus, one of the following is true:
15:26:42 <allanj> Turn Off
15:26:43 <allanj> The informational content can be turned off
15:26:45 <allanj> Not obscure
15:26:47 <allanj> The informational content does not obsure the triggering content
15:26:48 <allanj> This does not apply to user agent rendering of the title attribute.
15:29:48 <allanj> current issue https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/75
15:30:59 <allanj> need more generic = info from title attribute
15:31:12 <allanj> perhaps "tooltip"
15:31:54 <allanj> from google - a message that appears when a cursor is positioned over an icon, image, hyperlink, or other element in a graphical user interface.
15:33:43 <allanj> erich - what about contrast of the tooltip
15:34:50 <allanj> jim: controllable by use
15:35:32 <allanj> jim: we need poistion, and not obscured by mouse pointer
15:36:21 <steverep> Regrets... I'm going to join the AG call since the speech input (accessible name) SC has significant screen reader benefits
15:36:37 <laura> Informational content which appears on hover that is necessary for understanding must:
15:36:37 <laura> * be fully visible,
15:36:39 <laura> * not obscured,
15:36:40 <laura> * be available on focus as well as hover, and
15:36:40 <laura> *  be available via any input method.
15:37:11 <laura> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/index.php?title=Metadata_On_Hover&oldid=2355
15:39:04 <allanj> topic: color
15:39:13 <allanj> color inversion
15:39:19 <allanj> high contrast
15:39:48 <allanj> low contrast - dim light
15:40:25 <allanj> black on white,
15:40:31 <allanj> white on black
15:41:03 <allanj> white or black on gray, or light gray on darker gray
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