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14:00:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
14:00:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:00:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:00:31 <trackbot> Date: 25 May 2017
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14:56:14 <allanj> chair: Jim
14:56:19 <allanj> regrets+ Wayne
14:56:21 <allanj> Agenda+ Resize Text.
14:56:44 <JohnRochford> Jim, I don't hear you on the call, but I do hear an odd noise.
14:57:53 <ScottM> I am not on the phone yet, have another call I am dealing with first
14:59:13 <JohnRochford> I do not hear that odd noise now.
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15:02:24 <allanj> present+
15:02:33 <JohnRochford> present+
15:03:19 <laura> present+ Laura
15:03:46 <erich> present+ erich
15:06:14 <allanj> scribe: allanj
15:06:15 <laura> Scribe: Laura
15:06:24 <allanj> zakim, open item 1
15:06:24 <Zakim> agendum 1. "SC management (surveys, issue status)" taken up [from allanj]
15:06:25 <erich> Scribe: erich
15:06:41 <allanj> zakim, clear agenda
15:06:41 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:06:56 <allanj> Agenda+ Resize Text.
15:07:13 <erich> zakim, open item 1
15:07:13 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Resize Text." taken up [from allanj]
15:07:18 <allanj> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/77
15:08:26 <laura> Alastair’s message: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017AprJun/0852.html
15:08:34 <erich> JA: Alastair changed issue 77 Resize Content to Zoom Content, also changed to AA among other changes
15:08:39 <allanj> The remaining issues I see are:
15:08:41 <allanj> - What if the text is already huge?
15:09:30 <ScottM> everything should scale
15:10:15 <allanj> erich: user should be able to scale as needed
15:10:26 <erich> JR: What about setting an absolute value, like 1.5"
15:10:47 <erich> JA: Eventually you get to a point where it becomes non-functional
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15:11:03 <ScottM> q+
15:11:05 <erich> LC: Inches would not be the measurement, it would be pixels
15:11:47 <steverep> q+ all text would need to be huge
15:11:53 <erich> ack scott
15:13:07 <erich> SM: we need to have the ability for fonts to scale up as much as someone might need them to
15:13:19 <allanj> present+ glenda
15:14:35 <erich> SM: it's possible to reach a point where it may not fit on the screen, but difficult to capture
15:14:52 <erich> JA: could this be a non-issue?
15:15:19 <erich> MR: you could consider a scaling issue a loss of functionality, so I do feel like we are addressing the scaling issue in this SC
15:15:54 <erich> MR: regarding text that is already large, we really need to cover content beyond just text that may need to be enlarged
15:17:10 <erich> MR: if I had an insight as to what are the failures, it may be helpful
15:17:37 <erich> JA: like if a heading broke, but it still wrapped, that would be ok
15:18:19 <erich> MR: almost every non-responsive site is going to fail, because they will all require horizontal scrolling
15:18:59 <allanj> regrets- wayne
15:19:13 <erich> WD: if you do this with zoom, you will have things like headings become awkward
15:19:27 <ScottM> The original idea for the web was it should be responsive to resolution and display size but that was lost at some point
15:20:10 <erich> WD: in Alastair's example, you can pick a font size that will work for you, which is really a solution
15:20:22 <erich> JA: to be added to the set of techniques
15:20:42 <erich> MR: what if we haven't specified a zoom window, that is the other variable, is that covered somewhere?
15:21:17 <erich> JA: Yes, one other item that Alastair was talking about was having the 1080 pixel in the testability
15:21:31 <alastairc> 1280px
15:22:20 <erich> AC: are there examples of sites that start with huge text?
15:22:44 <erich> JA: none reported
15:24:55 <erich> AC: perhaps we discount that, if it's never come up. Can report back to original inquiree, as we have no examples of it.
15:27:34 <erich> JA: this issue may be somewhat resolved, but intrigued by native text inputs
15:27:40 <allanj> - What about native text inputs which are only one line, as filling it in will require scrolling.
15:27:42 <allanj> From testing, a native input with 300px width and 16px text will fit over 25 characters. Not sure that helps.
15:28:41 <erich> JA: there's no way to wrap in one of those
15:28:57 <erich> JA: will need to test
15:29:38 <erich> GS: even if it's something we don't love, still may pass
15:29:45 <laura> It is 29 minutes past the hour.
15:29:58 <erich> JA: maybe we need an exception for text input
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