IRC log of coga on 2017-05-22

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15:44:06 [lisa]
agenda: this
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agenda+ actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
15:44:09 [lisa]
agenda+ TPAC
15:44:11 [lisa]
agenda+ wording calls - review SC, and timelines status: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html,
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other usefull links rewording https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/rewroded%20sc%203.html
15:44:14 [lisa]
Tables https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html instuctions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1, issues: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3ACOGA
15:44:16 [lisa]
agenda+ plain lang http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2017May/0103.html
15:44:17 [lisa]
agenda+ help and support http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2017May/0098.html https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/32
15:44:19 [lisa]
agenda+ Supplement : https://docs.google.com/document/d/19CvGpbNn1MecK9iRO7MOhafCaVjIajyV2BjNz2OZZZY/edit#
15:44:20 [lisa]
agenda+ What have we missed for issues page agenda+ be done
15:50:02 [JohnRochford]
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present+ JohnRochford
15:56:55 [JohnRochford]
4x now, WebEx has hung up and called me back
16:05:34 [Mike_Pluke]
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scribe: Mike_Pluke
16:06:48 [lisa]
zakim, next item
16:06:48 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "accessible authentication" taken up [from lisa]
16:07:15 [lisa]
topic: tpac
16:07:34 [lisa]
https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/
16:09:29 [Mike_Pluke]
TPAC is in San Francisco. Mike can't make it, John Rochford might be able to. John Kirkwood and Thaddeus can.
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16:13:32 [JohnRochford]
https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/23
16:16:10 [Mike_Pluke]
Mike queried whether our new proposed SC would replace the existing AAA SCs as several techniques were already associated to these SCs
16:20:28 [Jan]
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16:20:53 [lisa]
lets get what we have to coga end f this week and propos it in 3 weeks to wcag
16:22:33 [lisa]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2017May/0095.html
16:23:11 [kirkwood]
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16:23:13 [lisa]
Provide words or phrases or abbreviations that are the most-common form to refer to the concept
16:23:38 [Mike_Pluke]
Plain language - Suggesting a tool that can present the most commonly used words from a language.
16:24:00 [lisa]
google ingram in a common tool
16:24:19 [Mike_Pluke]
Most famous tool and Google engram?
16:25:00 [JohnRochford]
Google Ngram articles: https://www.google.com/search?q=google+ngram&oq=google+n&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0j69i60l3j69i57.2247j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
16:29:52 [lisa]
scribe: JohnRochford
16:29:57 [JohnRochford]
Jan: Help SC is not in great shape because we can find the research we need.
16:31:07 [JohnRochford]
Jan: Recent search found new abstract requirements reveals a length of 100 words.
16:31:32 [lisa]
https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/32 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2017May/0098.html
16:32:31 [lisa]
Help and support: comprehension support is available via:
16:32:33 [lisa]
=Charts, tables, or graphics to summarize [complex numerical information];
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=Summaries of [long documents];
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=Emphasis of key words in [long documents];
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=Instructions for [non-standard controls];
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=Information about a user's position in multi-step forms;
16:32:39 [MichaelC]
present+
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=Alternative terms for relative and cardinal directions;
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=Non-numerical versions of numerical values.
16:32:59 [kirkwood]
present+
16:33:37 [JohnRochford]
Jan: What do we think about emphasizing keywords rather than document length?
16:34:16 [JohnRochford]
Lisa: Help SC is now more testable than it was.
16:34:58 [JohnRochford]
Michael: If you have to have a summary for every little thing, the working group will reject.
16:35:51 [JohnRochford]
Michael: Last I saw was 300 words, which won't catch too many web pages.
16:36:54 [lisa]
note that content that does not have
16:36:54 [JohnRochford]
Lisa: Should we have scope statements or exceptions?
16:37:54 [JohnRochford]
Michael: Each bullet could be its own SC, but we are trying to make things easier by combining.
16:39:44 [JohnRochford]
Michael: A complex SC wording for a minor increase in scope may not get through the AG working group.
16:40:36 [JohnRochford]
Michael: Perhaps we could define what complex wording is.
16:41:06 [JohnRochford]
Jan: People do not know how they could define what complex wording is.
16:42:27 [JohnRochford]
Michael: Word length is very variable across languages.
16:43:06 [JohnRochford]
Mike said the above, not Michael.
16:43:50 [JohnRochford]
Jan: Do we have a research basis for the terminology/wording we are using?
16:45:09 [JohnRochford]
Michael: The lower the author burden, the fewer requests for research backing there will be.
16:46:56 [janina]
present+
16:48:01 [JohnRochford]
Michael: I'm trying to simplify the SC for acceptance by the AG working group.
16:49:05 [lisa]
Help and support: comprehension support is available via one of the following
16:49:15 [JohnRochford]
Michael: The more complex the wording of an SC, the less likely it will be accepted.
16:52:38 [JohnRochford]
Michael: Maybe it should be "at least one of the following".
16:53:12 [JohnRochford]
Jan: The complexity of the text would determine how many could be done.
16:55:40 [JohnRochford]
Michael: We could say only one is required, but authors could follow as many as they want.
16:59:31 [JohnRochford]
I'm signing off.
17:12:02 [lisa]
https://github.com/ayelet-seeman/coga.personalisation
17:38:52 [lisa]
rrsagent, make logs public
17:39:08 [lisa]
rrsagent, create minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/22-coga-minutes.html lisa
17:39:42 [lisa]
zakim, please part
17:39:42 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees have been JohnRochford, kirkwood, lisa, Mike_Pluke, janina, MichaelC
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17:40:01 [lisa]
rrsagent, please part
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I see no action items