EPUB 3 CG Telco

<Luc Audrain:> try #6 to mute on phone?

<Dave Cramer> scribenick: George

George Kerscher: George minuting

<jcalderazi> Hi all.

Tzviya Siegman: Let's check people know how to get on.

Dave Cramer: links in original on using IRC.

Introduction

Dave Cramer:Welcome to the EPUB 3 Community group
... Mission is a quite long statement.
... IDPF and W3C have joined.
... There are three groups—the Publishing Business Group,
... This EPUB 3 CG and we hope there will be a working group.
... This group will work on maintaining 3.1
... and the associated specifications.
... We are carrying on the work of the EPUB Working Group
... Let's introduce ourselves and our goals
... and we will talk about how we are going to work,
... email? github? calls?
... There many areas where work needs to be done.
... Perhaps we should have task forces.

Dave Cramer: Dave works for Hachette, has been involved
... with ebooks for 16 years
... has been working in standards for 5 years.

Rachel Comerford: Rachael Comerford with Macmillian. Working in ebooks for a year.

Rachel Comerford: cannot get into IRC

Luc Audrain: from Paris also with Hachette
... interested in EPUB for interoperability and accessibility.

Tzviya Siegman: Tzviya is chair of DPUB IG and has been working in EPUB. With Wiley.

Garth Conboy: from Google Play books, co-chair the DPUB IG, which we expect to turn to a WG.
... in ebooks since 99.

Bill Kasdorf: Apex and BISG and active in EPUB 3 and on IDPF Board. Lots of other Publishing work.

Bernhard Heinser: Swiss Access for all
... with SBS for the Blind they work in web and ebooks.

Wolfgang Schindler: Wolfgang in Germany would love to see EPUB 4 with dictionaries and encyclopedia.

Jean Kaplansky: Jean with McGraw-Hill Education as a Content Architect and interested in epub for education
... working with ebooks since 1996.

<Jean Kaplansky> Still interested in EDUPUB AKA EPUB for Education.

<Rachel Comerford> Got it - needed to refresh. Sorry George!

<Dave Cramer> scribenick: Rachel

Lloyd Rasmussen: engineer at NLS, a division of LLOC
...Interested in epub and braile rendition, worked at LOC for 40 years and 24 in digital

Avneesh Singh: DAISY consortium - Accessibility initiatives

Tobias Fischer: Publishing service provider - xml and epub software engineer, volunteer epubcheck maintainer

Mira Bossowska: content architect at Cengage Learning

George Kerscher: George Kerscher - DAISY and Benetech

Matt Garrish: Matt - hero

<Tzviya Siegman> :)

Ian Smith: Codemantra - interoperability, accessibility

Laura Brady: ebook developer, BradyType

Dave Cramer: Laura Brady - awesome conference organizer (ebookcraft)

Julian: ebook developer - accessibility and reading experience

Naomi Kennedy: Penguin Random House - ebook process development

Ivan Herman: Ivan Herman - W3C

Tim Lockridge: -Miami University - epub production at Miami University press and educator

Makoto Murata: Work with W3C - international epub 3.0, active in ISO - accessibility, epub maintenance, internationalization

Working Mode

Dave Cramer: IDPF working group had weekly phone calls for epubs - doing a lot of the work on the phone can be difficult for a number of reasons including scheduling, geographic location
... we are hoping that work can primarily take place on github

Avneesh Singh: there are may domains for communications, each task force could decide between regular phone calls and github

Tzviya Siegman: agreed
... a monthly meeting or something along those lines

<TEYTAG> Hi everyone

Wolfgang Schindler: once per month and update regularly in github (agreed)

Matt Garrish: are we planning to use the community group mailing list in the same manner as before?

<Ivan Herman> If you are new to github, that document may be useful: https://github.com/iherman/misc-notes/blob/master/docs/BasicGitHubContributionIntro.md

Dave Cramer: in CSS we've moved to github as central focus

<TEYTAG> Thanks Ivan

George Kerscher Agree on reducing the number of emails and using github, concerned about new resources to the publishing community (such as GitHub and IRC). Can we find someone for mentoring and onboarding?

<Dave Cramer> +1000

Dave Cramer: we should think about this group can facilitate learning

<George> Ivan's guidance document is very good.

<Schindler> *ivan's introduction to github is indeed very helpful :)

Ivan: If this community feels more comfortable with something else then IRC, something else can be used

Dave Cramer: Those of us in other groups have found it to be a useful tool

<Bill Kasdorf> +1 to IRC, GitHub, and Ivan's GitHub intro

EPUB 3 Maintenance Task Force

Dave Cramer: The first task force would be about epub 3.1 maintainence - mostly editorial or markup issues
... 3.1.x is possible based on the quantity of errata, beyond that scope will need to be raised in business group

Makoto Murata:What about maintenance of 2.0 and 3.0?

<George Kerscher> EPUB 2.0.1 was the maintenance update prior to working on EPUB 3

Dave Cramer: to discuss: how do we handle prior versions of the epub; the steering committee and business group will need to discuss

Jean Kaplansky: What is the maintence for the epub, epub 3, epub 3.x: what is the lifecycle? Have we determined a sunset date for older versions? 3.0 is actively used. Is 3.1?

Bill Kasdorf: This relates to epubcheck issues
... at what point do we convert or version epubcheck for 3.1

Luc Audrain: isn't epub2 replaced by epub3? why continue to maintain the older standard? We plan to convert epub2 files to epub3 version without changing content. It would just be another technical expression of the same content

Dave Cramer: we should bring this to the business group and steering committee: what are we continuing to support (version-wise) and how?

George: it's important that the world see epub3 and the different versions as important and valuable. We need to instill confidence in the publishing industry that epub3 and its successors for a long time. moving content into the future

<Jean Kaplansky> +1000 to everything George K just said.

Dave Cramer: Agreed

<TEYTAG> Will we not be based on the EPUB 3.1 version?

Matt Garrish: If it was acknowledged as a problem, we generally load an errata page and then incorporate fully into future versions

Dave Cramer: TEYTAG, we're talking about lots of different things here, which includes how to support epub formats in wide use back to epub2

Bill Kasdorf: I am very support of continuing to migrate content but in terms of impact of versions we're talking about more than new epubs. We are talking about reading system compatibility and a large scale back list that is still available

Jean Kaplansky do the marketing and communication activities live with the community group, business group, etc? The communication that we have that is public facing is our most important.

Jean Kaplansky I got an email asking if there was an IDPF event at BEA this year but we need a decision on who handles conferences/event

Dave Cramer: there will be a publishers meeting at TPAC in CA in Nov

<Bill Kasdorf> clarification: not just backlist being available (which can be updated) but all the existing EPUBs that have been sold and are in the hands of users who expect them to continue to work

Tzviya Siegman: questions about events and evangalism should go to Bill McCoy

<Jean Kaplansky> FYI - 5 minute warning.

<Bill Kasdorf> +1 to what Tzviya is sayinig

Tzviya Siegman: I love the idea of sunsetting old specs, we can maintain a validation tool that checks against those specs but still not maintain the older version of the spec

<MURATA> What happens if there are two sensible interpretations of EPUB 2?

unknown: +1 what Tzviya is saying

Evan: I've been on groups that improve documentation without changing the actual specification

Garth Conboy: - +1 Matt, Evan: errata on 2.x but changes should go to 3.x

Tobias Fischer: - we're always trying to maintain epub2 in epubcheck but there are only 2 people maintaining this. We need help from the community to do validation work for 3.1.

Dave Cramer: - We will need a Task Force for Testing and validation (incuding epubcheck updating and maintenance)
... Thank you everyone!

<Tobias Fischer> EpubCheck update: we're trying to put together a 4.1 version soon: https://github.com/IDPF/epubcheck/milestone/3 but it will not yet contain EPUB 3.1 support

<Schindler> Have a nice afternoon/evening!

<Dave Cramer> https://github.com/w3c/pub-cg/wiki

<TEYTAG> Thank you Dave for this link https://github.com/w3c/pub-cg/wiki