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17:00:45 <jamesn> Meeting: ARIA APG TF
17:00:53 <jamesn> present+
17:01:11 <AnnAbbott> present+ AnnAbbott
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17:03:15 <jamesn> Agenda+ Carolyn MacLeod's questions about menubar mouse behavior
17:03:27 <jamesn> Agenda+ Modal Dialog
17:03:34 <jamesn> Agenda+ Treeview
17:03:42 <jamesn> Agenda+ Menu Button
17:03:49 <MichielBijl> present+
17:03:49 <jamesn> Agenda+ Issue 380: Place examples after the introduction text
17:04:30 <AnnAbbott> present+ MattKing
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17:06:15 <MichielBijl> https://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2017/05/the-paciello-group-joins-vfo/
17:07:37 <jamesn> zakim, pick a victim
17:07:37 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose MattKing
17:07:58 <jemma> scribe:Jemma
17:08:22 <MichielBijl> chair: MattKing
17:08:25 <jemma> zakim, topic
17:08:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'topic', jemma
17:08:31 <jemma> zakim, next item
17:08:31 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Carolyn MacLeod's questions about menubar mouse behavior" taken up [from jamesn]
17:08:34 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/144#issuecomment-298280680
17:08:41 <sirib> present+shirishaBalusani
17:08:45 <mck> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/144#issuecomment-298280680
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17:09:39 <jemma> mck: Carolyn will fix the comment
17:09:50 <jemma> s/comment/problem
17:10:02 <bgaraventa1979> present+ Bryan_Garaventa
17:11:11 <MichielBijl> s/comment/problem/
17:11:56 <MichielBijl> +1 to car’s point
17:12:15 <jemma> mck: matt,  Michiel and James agree with Carolyn's suggestion
17:12:52 <jemma> carolyn's comment -" So, if you agree that instead of closing on timeout, we should close on click, then that is what I will implement. "
17:14:00 <jemma> james: mouse over will close previous menu
17:14:16 <jemma> s/mouse over/mouse out
17:18:16 <MichielBijl> MB: I would argue that menu’s shouldn’t open on hover, unless, you’ve already activated an option in the menubar.
17:18:55 <MichielBijl> MB: To clarify, once you open a menu option and move your mouse to another option in the menubar, the previous menu option should close and the one you moved to should open.
17:23:43 <jemma> james:Discussed 5/1/2017 in APG meeting. We agree with the substance of @carmacleod comments. 2 additional clarifications.  we would argue that menu’s shouldn’t open on hover, unless, you’ve already activated an option in the menubar. To clarify, once you open a menu option and move your mouse to another option in the menubar, the previous menu option should close immediately and the one you moved to should open
17:24:17 <jemma> zakim, next item
17:24:17 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Modal Dialog" taken up [from jamesn]
17:24:24 <mck> http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/#dialog_modal
17:25:26 <MichielBijl> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/325
17:26:07 <sirib> I put my comments  for 325
17:26:46 <sirib> by bda it meant 321
17:26:57 <sirib> My bad I meant 321
17:27:00 <jemma> Because marking a dialog modal by setting aria-modal to true can prevent users of some assistive technologies from perceiving content outside the dialog, users of those technologies will experience severe negative ramifications if a dialog is marked modal but does not behave as a modal for other users. So, mark a dialog modal only when: Application code prevents all users from interacting in any way with content outside of it. Visual styling obscures the co[CUT]
17:30:39 <jemma> s/out/ \outside of it.
17:30:44 <jemma> s/out/outside of it.
17:31:43 <jemma> jemma: I copied both edits for comparison.  Original When a dialog closes, focus typically returns to the element that had focus before the dialog was invoked. This is often the control that opened the dialog. In circumstances where that element no longer exists, focus is set on an element that supports a logical work flow.  Revised edit:  When a dialog closes, focus is set on an element that supports a logical work flow. If the element that had focus befor[CUT]
17:32:38 <jemma> s/out/outside of it/
17:33:13 <jemma> original: When a dialog closes, focus typically returns to the element that had focus before the dialog was invoked. This is often the control that opened the dialog. In circumstances where that element no longer exists, focus is set on an element that supports a logical work flow.
17:33:42 <jemma> revised:When a dialog closes, focus is set on an element that supports a logical work flow. If the element that had focus before the dialog was invoked still exists, that element is usually the most appropriate choice.
17:35:14 <jemma> ann: I like original the better.
17:35:54 <sirib> I like original one too
17:36:30 <jamesn> i am ok with the original too
17:42:42 <mck> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/321
17:44:34 <jemma> http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/dialog-modal/dialog.html
17:48:01 <jemma> michiel: I am working on revising css for example pages
17:48:34 <jemma> micheil: i am rewriting the code for modal from bottom up.
17:49:31 <MichielBijl> For example: http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/button/button.html
17:51:26 <MichielBijl> https://moiety.me/research/dialog-modal/dialog.html
17:52:04 <jemma> michiel: I can be done by next Monday
17:55:53 <jemma> group discussion: there will be comment on small device view in coding example css file
17:56:36 <jemma> in regards to modal dialog example
17:57:26 <jemma> zakim, next item
17:57:26 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Treeview" taken up [from jamesn]
17:57:32 <sirib> issue #?
17:57:49 <jemma> zakim, next item
17:57:49 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, jemma
17:57:57 <MichielBijl> zakim, take up item 5
17:57:57 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Issue 380: Place examples after the introduction text" taken up [from jamesn]
17:58:05 <mck> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/380
18:03:46 <MichielBijl> http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/#keyboard-interaction-5
18:04:39 <jemma> mck: I support this proposal
18:05:33 <jemma> michiel: proposal was putting the coding example link under pattern intero
18:05:52 <jemma> s/intero/intro
18:08:21 <jamesn> me too
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18:10:16 <jemma> mck: we can coordinate this work.
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