IRC log of pbgsc on 2017-04-18

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Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee Call
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2017Apr/0066.html
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Chair: Rick
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present+ Paul Belfanti
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present+ Bill_Kasdorf
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present+ Rick_Johnson
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present+ Bill McCoy
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scribenick: laudrain
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present+ Liisa McCloy-Kelley
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present+ garth
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Thank you to Hachette to step in
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Charter was done last evening !
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sent to the AC on Friday
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Today 2 new comments « formal objections »
16:09:23 [laudrain]
Remeber that if you are already members, please vote
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s/Remeber/Remenber/
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If the Formal Objection is maintaned, it escalates to the directors
16:10:31 [pbelfanti]
q+
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And the director are extremely reluctant to overrule the FO
16:11:06 [laudrain]
Consensus is the rule, we should take care asap
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Until the commentors are find and agree
16:11:28 [ivan]
ack pbelfanti
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s/find/fine/
16:11:57 [garth]
q?
16:12:34 [laudrain]
Paul : 4 options : Approve / Approve with samll objectios, / Not approves with FO / Don’t want this WG
16:13:24 [laudrain]
Ivan : we have comments from VivlioStyle
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Rick : this is job number one to go in the details
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Ivan; if we cannot settled, it may delay
16:14:06 [BillMcCoy]
q+
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Garth : do we have to restart the vote?
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Ivan : if there is no radical change in the charter, we are fine
16:15:07 [laudrain]
If radical changes, we have to ask for a new vote
16:15:15 [garth]
ack Bill
16:15:51 [laudrain]
BillM : until May 14 , so make these guy happy is our task
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the more people voting yes, will put pressure on the objectors
16:16:57 [ivan]
Vivliostyle's comments: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2017Apr/0007.html
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Ivan : Summary : the current draft for WP/PWP not mature enough for the REC track
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Proposal : modify the scheduled of the WG to produce first notes to put in the charter
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s/Proposal/Their proposal/
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IPR protection in the WG is taken very seriously
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So this proposal is a bit shaky
16:20:50 [garth]
q?
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It would not really change our work
16:21:29 [BillMcCoy]
q+
16:21:41 [laudrain]
For every WG at W3C, it is possible to say that they was non consensus, and it would not be a REC, but we could live with it
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The charter is a claim of what we would try to produce
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In this case, their is hope to find in Beijing a modus vivendi
16:22:45 [Rick_Johnson]
q+
16:22:57 [ivan]
ack BillMcCoy
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BillM: the critic is that if we want the fast track, the charter is not mature enough
16:23:42 [garth]
q?
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q+
16:24:08 [laudrain]
An answer could be that IDPF merge
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would be the reason
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Ivan: no raise the argument that we should do it because it was said to IDPF
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It hels a lot if members who have already voted gice their opinion on the public mailing
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present+ George
16:25:59 [laudrain]
Replying to the mailing list in an appropriate response
16:26:12 [garth]
ack Rick
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Rick: is it a true statement that the maturing procces should be moved in the WG?
16:27:20 [pbelfanti]
q+
16:28:07 [laudrain]
Thare are several schools: the 2 cases were found. Here we could let things mature in the WG
16:29:05 [laudrain]
Rick: Florian propose to synchronize a presentaion on CSS, Rick propose to call him and discuss personnally
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Garth: Is there any opportunity to give a response with a note first?
16:29:52 [BillMcCoy]
will anyone else besides Rick, BillM be in Beijing??
16:29:55 [George]
q+
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ack garth
16:30:07 [laudrain]
Ivan: don’t see any reason to publish a note
16:30:50 [laudrain]
We have to make clear that the current PWP docuement isn’t the one to become the first public draft
16:32:04 [laudrain]
Ivan will put a statement for clarification
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Garth: clarifiation wouldn’t do harm
16:33:17 [laudrain]
Ivan: i don’t want to be the only person to do this, Garth?
16:33:26 [liisamk]
+1 to Garth responding to clarify
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Gart: I’ll do that on th emailing list
16:33:29 [ivan]
ack garth
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ack pbelfanti
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Paul: distinction between different processes in WG, but the approval has to come from the WG
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Ivan: IG would have a much specification work befiore starting the WG
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Paul: it may be only semantic clarification what they ask
16:35:23 [graham_]
Apologies to the group – as noted to Rick earlier, I am going to have to leave the second half of the meeting
16:35:38 [laudrain]
Ivan: it may be the understanding of the role of the PWP doc
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More than semantic
16:35:54 [garth]
q?
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Paul: general lines are « keep options open »
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ack George
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Surmountable
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16:37:11 [laudrain]
In the maturity aspect, is the there a thought about the time frame being to short?
16:37:41 [ivan]
Daniel Glazman's comments: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2017Apr/0008.html
16:37:46 [laudrain]
Ivan: it is not in Florian comment
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Ivan: Daniel’s comment much harder
16:39:25 [garth]
q+
16:39:29 [laudrain]
He make points for a large revamp of the charter. Should be only for EPUB4. WP/PWP should not be made REC track
16:39:39 [ivan]
ack garth
16:40:17 [laudrain]
Garth: the thing to do is to get on the phone on Daniel
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EPUB4 being an instance of th WP/PWP, how can we do it without WP
16:41:27 [BillMcCoy]
q+
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Subset of that group with good relation to schedule a call with Daniel
16:41:49 [garth]
q?
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Ivan: I agreee, because it could be a long discussion in email
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ack Bill
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ack BillMcCoy
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BillM: Good relations with Daniel, i agree to participate
16:42:51 [George]
When Daniel says these should be W3C notes, is he simply saying that the DPUB documents should be notes as input to the WG?
16:43:01 [laudrain]
Useful to know who is coming in Beijing
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Garth: perhaps not too many people
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to have a call with Daniel
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q?
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Iavn: 2 possibilities : 1) BillM try to talk to him separateley, 2) Then we schedule a cal with Rick and myself
16:44:44 [laudrain]
Where does he want to go? Are the objection so deep?
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Garth: Bill and Ivan first?
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BillK: you are 2 W3C staff
16:45:56 [BillMcCoy]
q+
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Ivan: we are stick to a neutral position
16:46:26 [ivan]
ack BillMcCoy
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BillM: try to be neutral
16:46:55 [laudrain]
Daniel advote very strongly to pucsh the merger
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So try to untersatnd what is the problem with the WG, it would be the angle
16:48:21 [laudrain]
Ivan: BillM tomorrow morning i will give you my comments on the 9 points
16:48:55 [laudrain]
Perhaps you could contact Daiel now to find the propoer time
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s/propoer/proper/
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Rick: logistic problem for next week
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Rick: what is the agenda
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Rick: dealing with the issues, what are the actions items?
16:51:03 [liisamk]
q+
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George: the Community group could encourage that activity
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Rick: liason between the to groups
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Liisa: the liason has been setup between the 2 groups
16:52:16 [Rick_Johnson]
ack lii
16:52:31 [laudrain]
Is it something to be reaised at the F2F?
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s/reaised+
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George: Remote participation will be very important, and DAISY will bring help
16:54:15 [garth]
[I’m gonna need to bolt; will get PWP input document clairification to mailing list later today]
16:54:25 [laudrain]
Liisa: Dave and Richard will talk about a planning about how to push things
16:54:39 [laudrain]
It will be put on the agenda next week
16:55:03 [laudrain]
Get the BG talking about this
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Ivan: happy to chair
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Rick: EDUPUB will not be ready for next week
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BillK: a docuement about epubcheck, not ready
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George: reinforce the need about epubtest.org
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Community group and epubtest on the agenda
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Action items: proposal from Liisa
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Form for the election (?)
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AOB?
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Paul: Remind BillK form membership
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Needed to vote for the charter
17:00:08 [Bill_Kasdorf]
what is the remind BillK? I missed that
17:01:55 [ivan]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/18-pbgsc-minutes.html ivan
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https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=96687