IRC log of lvtf on 2017-04-06

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Zakim, this will be
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I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 06 April 2017
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chair: jim
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Agenda+ Adapting Text
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Agenda+ Drop PopUps SC?
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Agenda+ Next priority for AG to survey
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Agenda+ Adjourn to AG meeting - Adapting text
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present: Jim, JohnR, Laura, ScottM, Shawn
14:59:16 [AllanJ]
jim to check with Shawn about setting (ranges) for widget parameters (line spacing - at least 3 settings between x and y) that were proposed in UAAG
14:59:47 [ScottM]
Is the availability survey still valid? The link is only showing me meetings through feb
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present+ Wayne
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regrets+ Glenda
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present+ Marla, Erich
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zaki, who is on the phone?
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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Present: Jim, JohnR, Laura, ScottM, Shawn, Wayne, Marla, Erich
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so moved :)
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Present+ StephenR
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present+ JohnRochford
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present+steverep
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Scribe: erich
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AG call at 10:30, first item is Target Size and then Adapting Text
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open item 1
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Proposal D
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https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78#issuecomment-291618718
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Proposal E F
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https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78#issuecomment-291918379
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Scoping
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https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78#issuecomment-292174184
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LC: Lots more discussion, and more proposals
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If the technologies being used can achieve the following, text styles of the page can be overridden as detailed below with no loss of essential content or functionality.
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WD: When WCAG 2.0 was devised, they were not talking about visual access to devices that can range 40 inches to 4 inches
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LC: Need the exception, cannot be a note, needs to be right in the text
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WD: Rule needs to be changed before we can write SC that make any sense
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present+ Glenda
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JA: There are several proposals on the table, all with slight variations of wording
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LC: Could use help getting to concensus
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+1 (if I understadn the point)
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q+
15:12:17 [AllanJ]
steve concerned about giving out for author doing bad things versus giving out for whole classes of technologies
15:12:33 [shawn]
use a technology that supports it, (or else you have to make a widget or other way to do it)
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ack w
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(thanks Jim - was having trouble capturing)
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q+ to say author widgets may have unintended consequences since we haven't specified a full set of requirements
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q+
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q+ to reply to wayne
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ack steve
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steverep, you wanted to say author widgets may have unintended consequences since we haven't specified a full set of requirements
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WD: Votes not to let authors off the hook because of technology
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q+
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q+ to ask question about providing alt version in conforming technology
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q+ to say instead of widget
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SR: Would like to keep it to the user is doing the styling
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ack me
15:17:13 [Zakim]
shawn, you wanted to reply to wayne and to ask question about providing alt version in conforming technology and to say instead of widget
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ack shaw
15:19:00 [AllanJ]
sh: if the technology doesen't work, then authors need to provide an alternate version
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LC: Would expect to get objections from that, about needing to be technology agnostic
15:19:54 [ScottM]
shawn is echoing really badly
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WD: That's why word-wrapping was not included in 1.4.4
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s/shawn is echoing really badly/
15:21:58 [ScottM]
font families or specific fonts?
15:22:23 [AllanJ]
wayne: should be able to come up with 20 fonts (latin) to be included for the testing/widget
15:22:47 [steverep]
q+ to suggest exception language for technologies
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... other languages would have to come up with their own sets of fonts
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ack w
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q+
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ack steve
15:25:27 [Zakim]
steverep, you wanted to suggest exception language for technologies
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ack w
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q+
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q+ to say SC setting the basis - and then more in Understadning and Techniques
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ack me
15:28:53 [Zakim]
shawn, you wanted to say SC setting the basis - and then more in Understadning and Techniques
15:30:24 [AllanJ]
sh: have to have testable success criteria. then we have understanding document that explain what the SC means.
15:31:02 [erich]
WD: in disagreement
15:31:03 [Glenda]
Do we need ot move to the other call?
15:31:22 [laura]
yes
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if you need to leave we will meet you there
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q+
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ack s
15:34:28 [Glenda]
see y’all in the next call
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-lvtf-minutes.html erich
15:35:02 [steverep]
Technology exception proposal for adapting text: Content presented in a technology which does not support changing text syles is exempt if either (a) a supported technology could not achieve the same content, or (b) text styles are not applicable to the content
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bye
15:35:06 [shawn]
We have said that we will need to document what users needs are met in WCAG 2.1 (and what not)
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/06-lvtf-minutes.html shawn
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