IRC log of lvtf on 2017-04-06
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- Zakim, this will be
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- I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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- Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 06 April 2017
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- chair: jim
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- Agenda+ Adapting Text
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- Agenda+ Drop PopUps SC?
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- Agenda+ Next priority for AG to survey
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- Agenda+ Adjourn to AG meeting - Adapting text
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- present: Jim, JohnR, Laura, ScottM, Shawn
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- jim to check with Shawn about setting (ranges) for widget parameters (line spacing - at least 3 settings between x and y) that were proposed in UAAG
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- Is the availability survey still valid? The link is only showing me meetings through feb
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- present+ Wayne
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- regrets+ Glenda
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- present+ Marla, Erich
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- zaki, who is on the phone?
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- Present: Jim, JohnR, Laura, ScottM, Shawn, Wayne, Marla, Erich
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- so moved :)
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- Present+ StephenR
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- present+ JohnRochford
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- present+steverep
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- Scribe: erich
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- AG call at 10:30, first item is Target Size and then Adapting Text
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- open item 1
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- Proposal D
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- https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78#issuecomment-291618718
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- Proposal E F
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- https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78#issuecomment-291918379
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- Scoping
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- https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78#issuecomment-292174184
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- LC: Lots more discussion, and more proposals
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- If the technologies being used can achieve the following, text styles of the page can be overridden as detailed below with no loss of essential content or functionality.
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- WD: When WCAG 2.0 was devised, they were not talking about visual access to devices that can range 40 inches to 4 inches
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- LC: Need the exception, cannot be a note, needs to be right in the text
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- WD: Rule needs to be changed before we can write SC that make any sense
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- present+ Glenda
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- JA: There are several proposals on the table, all with slight variations of wording
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- LC: Could use help getting to concensus
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- +1 (if I understadn the point)
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- q+
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- steve concerned about giving out for author doing bad things versus giving out for whole classes of technologies
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- use a technology that supports it, (or else you have to make a widget or other way to do it)
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- ack w
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- (thanks Jim - was having trouble capturing)
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- q+ to say author widgets may have unintended consequences since we haven't specified a full set of requirements
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- q+
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- q+ to reply to wayne
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- ack steve
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- steverep, you wanted to say author widgets may have unintended consequences since we haven't specified a full set of requirements
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- WD: Votes not to let authors off the hook because of technology
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- q+
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- q+ to ask question about providing alt version in conforming technology
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- q+ to say instead of widget
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- SR: Would like to keep it to the user is doing the styling
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- ack me
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- shawn, you wanted to reply to wayne and to ask question about providing alt version in conforming technology and to say instead of widget
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- ack shaw
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- sh: if the technology doesen't work, then authors need to provide an alternate version
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- LC: Would expect to get objections from that, about needing to be technology agnostic
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- shawn is echoing really badly
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- WD: That's why word-wrapping was not included in 1.4.4
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- s/shawn is echoing really badly/
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- font families or specific fonts?
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- wayne: should be able to come up with 20 fonts (latin) to be included for the testing/widget
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- q+ to suggest exception language for technologies
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- ... other languages would have to come up with their own sets of fonts
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- ack w
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- q+
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- ack steve
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- steverep, you wanted to suggest exception language for technologies
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- ack w
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- q+
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- q+ to say SC setting the basis - and then more in Understadning and Techniques
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- ack me
- 15:28:53 [Zakim]
- shawn, you wanted to say SC setting the basis - and then more in Understadning and Techniques
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- sh: have to have testable success criteria. then we have understanding document that explain what the SC means.
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- WD: in disagreement
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- Do we need ot move to the other call?
- 15:31:22 [laura]
- yes
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- if you need to leave we will meet you there
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- q+
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- ack s
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- see y’all in the next call
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- Technology exception proposal for adapting text: Content presented in a technology which does not support changing text syles is exempt if either (a) a supported technology could not achieve the same content, or (b) text styles are not applicable to the content
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- bye
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- We have said that we will need to document what users needs are met in WCAG 2.1 (and what not)
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