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14:20:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:20:30 <trackbot> Date: 06 April 2017
14:20:36 <AllanJ> chair: jim
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14:38:23 <AllanJ> Agenda+ Adapting Text
14:38:24 <AllanJ> Agenda+ Drop PopUps SC?
14:38:26 <AllanJ> Agenda+ Next priority for AG to survey
14:38:27 <AllanJ> Agenda+ Adjourn to AG meeting - Adapting text
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14:58:33 <shawn> present: Jim, JohnR, Laura, ScottM, Shawn
14:59:16 <AllanJ> jim to check with Shawn about setting (ranges) for widget parameters (line spacing - at least 3 settings between x and y) that were proposed in UAAG
14:59:47 <ScottM> Is the availability survey still valid? The link is only showing me meetings through feb
15:00:23 <shawn> present+ Wayne
15:00:44 <AllanJ> regrets+ Glenda
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15:01:55 <shawn> present+ Marla, Erich
15:02:01 <shawn> zaki, who is on the phone?
15:02:06 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:06 <Zakim> Present: Jim, JohnR, Laura, ScottM, Shawn, Wayne, Marla, Erich
15:02:28 <ScottM> so moved :)
15:02:32 <shawn> Present+ StephenR
15:02:49 <JohnRochford> present+ JohnRochford
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15:03:18 <erich> Scribe: erich
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15:03:45 <erich> AG call at 10:30, first item is Target Size and then Adapting Text
15:03:56 <AllanJ> open item 1
15:04:18 <laura> Proposal D
15:04:18 <laura> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78#issuecomment-291618718
15:04:24 <laura> Proposal E F
15:04:24 <laura> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78#issuecomment-291918379
15:04:33 <laura> Scoping
15:04:34 <laura> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78#issuecomment-292174184
15:04:34 <erich> LC: Lots more discussion, and more proposals
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15:05:05 <laura> If the technologies being used can achieve the following, text styles of the page can be overridden as detailed below with no loss of essential content or functionality.
15:05:59 <erich> WD: When WCAG 2.0 was devised, they were not talking about visual access to devices that can range 40 inches to 4 inches
15:06:59 <erich> LC: Need the exception, cannot be a note, needs to be right in the text
15:07:34 <erich> WD: Rule needs to be changed before we can write SC that make any sense
15:08:06 <shawn> present+ Glenda
15:08:24 <erich> JA: There are several proposals on the table, all with slight variations of wording
15:09:12 <erich> LC: Could use help getting to concensus
15:10:06 <shawn> +1 (if I understadn the point)
15:11:10 <Wayne> q+
15:12:17 <AllanJ> steve concerned about giving out for author doing bad things versus giving out for whole classes of technologies
15:12:33 <shawn> use a technology that supports it, (or else you have to make a widget or other way to do it)
15:12:42 <shawn> ack w
15:12:43 <erich> (thanks Jim - was having trouble capturing)
15:13:12 <steverep> q+ to say author widgets may have unintended consequences since we haven't specified a full set of requirements
15:13:33 <shawn> q+
15:13:40 <shawn> q+ to reply to wayne
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15:13:56 <AllanJ> ack steve
15:13:56 <Zakim> steverep, you wanted to say author widgets may have unintended consequences since we haven't specified a full set of requirements
15:13:59 <erich> WD: Votes not to let authors off the hook because of technology
15:14:13 <Wayne> q+
15:14:26 <shawn> q+ to ask question about providing alt version in conforming technology
15:14:38 <shawn> q+ to say instead of widget
15:15:30 <erich> SR: Would like to keep it to the user is doing the styling
15:17:13 <shawn> ack me
15:17:13 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to reply to wayne and to ask question about providing alt version in conforming technology and to say instead of widget
15:17:17 <erich> ack shaw
15:19:00 <AllanJ> sh: if the technology doesen't work, then authors need to provide an alternate version
15:19:42 <erich> LC: Would expect to get objections from that, about needing to be technology agnostic
15:19:54 <ScottM> shawn is echoing really badly
15:21:06 <erich> WD: That's why word-wrapping was not included in 1.4.4
15:21:44 <shawn> s/shawn is echoing really badly/
15:21:58 <ScottM> font families or specific fonts?
15:22:23 <AllanJ> wayne: should be able to come up with 20 fonts (latin) to be included for the testing/widget
15:22:47 <steverep> q+ to suggest exception language for technologies
15:22:52 <AllanJ> ... other languages would have to come up with their own sets of fonts
15:23:11 <shawn> ack w
15:24:58 <Wayne> q+
15:25:27 <erich> ack steve
15:25:27 <Zakim> steverep, you wanted to suggest exception language for technologies
15:26:15 <AllanJ> ack w
15:28:03 <shawn> q+
15:28:37 <shawn> q+ to say SC setting the basis - and then more in Understadning and Techniques
15:28:53 <shawn> ack me
15:28:53 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say SC setting the basis - and then more in Understadning and Techniques
15:30:24 <AllanJ> sh: have to have testable success criteria. then we have understanding document that explain what the SC means.
15:31:02 <erich> WD: in disagreement
15:31:03 <Glenda> Do we need ot move to the other call?
15:31:22 <laura> yes
15:31:43 <AllanJ> if you need to leave we will meet you there
15:32:45 <shawn> q+
15:33:10 <shawn> ack s
15:34:28 <Glenda> see y’all in the next call
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15:35:02 <steverep> Technology exception proposal for adapting text: Content presented in a technology which does not support changing text syles is exempt if either (a) a supported technology could not achieve the same content, or (b) text styles are not applicable to the content
15:35:05 <laura> bye
15:35:06 <shawn> We have said that we will need to document what users needs are met in WCAG 2.1 (and what not)
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